========================================================================= Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 23:32:13 -0700 Reply-To: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List Sender: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List From: J-Man Subject: Re: How futuristic writers input text MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Gawd, what a horrifying concept. Stuck forever in virtual reality....no > gourmet food, only the illusive taste of it; no fresh air or rushing > rivers or fluttering birds or quiet hermitages, only a conglomerate mental > entity where only the illusive sensory representations, or replicated > simulations, of these things would exist. Arrrgh! I hope this future never > happens. Don't worry, it will NEVER come to pass. It was just one of MANY logical extrapolations from today's trends. The biggest problem with LOGICAL extrapolations on humanity is that humans are hardly ever logical and often do the unexpected. :) And YES, I see I did an IT'S again... POOH! ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 23:50:09 -0700 Reply-To: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List Sender: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List From: J-Man Subject: Re: How futuristic writers input text MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > The question arises: if all of humanity live within a computer how can he > make it grow to become a intersteller system if there's nobody building > ships, and if this technology exists, then why bother going anywhere. With > everybody in the computer there's no more population or resource problems to > warrant going into space. > > I'm just being arguementative. > > Rab > I wouldn't say "arguementative", just debating. Humanity would not live in some "virtual reality" per se, but they'd give up a corporeal existance fraught with ACHES, PAINS, DEATH, etc. They'd use their minds to control/interface with, material objects like nano-factories which would build to order anything anyone desired. The next frontier would be reality itself. Time, Space, alternate universes and dimensions would still await exploration of the curious and the scientific. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 13:07:03 -0700 Reply-To: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List Sender: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List From: Jaye Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Jean - Thanks. Boy it sounds like a LOT of work. But it could be worth it if one had a booklet that really needed to be done in that style. (Makes me wonder if the poeple who sell books like that have a technogeek sitting around doing this all day, or if they've found some software.) Jaye http://www.wingedharper.com/ "Old Friends, they mean much more to me than new friends Cos they can see where you are, and they know where you've been. Harry Chapin ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 06:50:01 -0500 Reply-To: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List Sender: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List From: Jean Lorrah Subject: Re: Clarassa ATTENTION ALL HEADS OF HOUSEHOLDINGS Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 07:54 AM 4/23/98 +0000, Marge wrote: > Keon is, I think, a daughter house of Carrie, also mentioned in AK. Yes, Keon is the daughter house of Carre, and is only a generation old when Risa arrives. Carre struggles to survive in Norlea until Risa demonstrates how to make a community dependent on the householding and begins to use the same tactics. Right now I do not know how Carre was founded--the idea had to come from somewhere. But it is an independent founding, not a daughter house of Zeor or any of her daughters. Probably the origins of Carre will come out as the saga of Zhag and Tonyo gets told--they live in Norlea, and Carre is the householding they first go to for help and later help out. I wish they would tell me more about the time after the Tecton commandeered Carre's nonjunct channels and Donors in order to staff out-T Sime Centers, and many of their disjunct ones to cover Lanta, Nashul, and other large Gulf Territory communities that don't have householdings. In some emergency in Norlea, Zhag and Tonyo pay back some of what they owe Carre by performing not as musicians, but as channel and Companion. I imagine that is when they will learn something about how Carre first came into existence. Jean Jean Lorrah A21711F@msumusik.mursuky.edu (If no reply in 72 hours, try Jean1@Juno.com) If I understood everything, there wouldn't be any experience.--Robert Plant http://www.geocities.com/Athens/3439 http://www.geocities.com/Athens/4165 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 08:52:11 -0400 Reply-To: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List Sender: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List From: Cynthia Tenen Subject: Re: 5.5 x 8.5 booklet Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Jean wrote, >There is now a program--can't remember what it's called off-hand--that >will do this automatically by reducing your 8 1/2 x 11 pages to fit 5 >1/2 x 8 1/2, reducing the type, etc., and actually figuring out the >right order of pages for you. I've used it; it is fine for >rough-and-dirty, but it messes up in various ways that make it unusable >for fanzines or showing to anyone you really care about. I've used a program called ClickBook, which actually works quite well (at least in conjunction with Word), once you learn how to use its control features. (Until you do, unexpected things may happen, of course -- and some of the terminology this program uses would be more familiar to printers than to programmers.) I have no problem with graphics or special characters using this program -- but for nice-looking copy, don't use the reduction feature. Instead, format your original pages (in your wordprocessor) with margins (or page size, depending on which wordprocessor you're using, and the directions will say) adjusted to make them the same size you want your finished booklet to be. ClickBook then formats the thing to print with the correct two (or four, if it's a long booklet) pages on one sheet of paper, and runs like a champ. The reduction feature is handy, however, for printing out stuff like personal phone books, or reducing someone's typed 3-page CV so that it can be nicely xeroxed on to the back of their evaluation letter. I think this program costs between $40 and $50, last time I looked. -ct ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 08:07:55 -0700 Reply-To: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List Sender: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List From: Robyn King-Nitschke Subject: clickbooks > > Jean - > Thanks. Boy it sounds like a LOT of work. But it could be worth it if one > had a booklet that really needed to be done in that style. (Makes me wonder > if the poeple who sell books like that have a technogeek sitting around > doing this all day, or if they've found some software.) > > > Jaye Maybe my post didn't get through before--there *is* software. It's called "ClickBooks" and it's made by Blue Squirrel Software. It even tells you how to orient the paper in the printer to do double-sided stuff (or so says their website.) --Robyn ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 11:11:43 -0700 Reply-To: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List Sender: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List From: J-Man Subject: BOOKS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I now have extra : Unto Zeor, Forever (3) House of Zeor (1) Channel's Destiny (2) Mahogany Trinrose (2) ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 14:14:15 -0700 Reply-To: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List Sender: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List From: Robert McCann Subject: Re: Digen questions In-Reply-To: <19980430125103285.AAA315@Klumperk.Boystown.org> from Kandace Klumper at "Apr 30, 98 07:47:54 am" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Someone asked how between MT and RenSime Digen became junct again. > > Uh.... my memory is that Laneff spent a fair portion of the story developing her drug to rejunct Digen before he killed someone or himself. It was exactly because he was disjunct that was causing all the mini explosions around him. Am I remembering this wrong? I guess I might have to re-read this book, though it's one of my least favorites. > > Laneff was trying to develop a drug to discriminate Sime fetuses from Gen fetuses in vitreo. Ercy spend must of her young life trying to develop a drug to disjunct Digen. RSM f ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 14:38:41 -0700 Reply-To: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List Sender: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List From: Robyn King-Nitschke Subject: Re: How futuristic writers input text Hannah writes: > > I'd like to get this discussion back onto sciencefictional terms. > There will no doubt be writers in the future just as there are writers > now. And the computers and software will be far more advanced. How will > writers input text to these futuristic machines? > > The s.f. shows and books have people talking into machines to > instruct them, dictate to them, etc. What if it is inconvenient to talk > into a machine (say, in a quiet library or at home when you don't feel > like babbling on for hours). Would there still be a way to input text > silently, either through keyboard or handwriting recognition, etc. In DEEP > SPACE 9 it shows Jake, the young writer, inputting text to an electronic > viewpad with a stylus of some kind, just like a pencil on paper. > I would HATE this! I don't mind inputting a little bit of text into my PalmPilot with a stylus, but to write entire NOVELS that way? No way! That's why I got a computer with a keyboard in the first place! Back when I was a kid I had great handwriting. Now, my penmanship looks (in the words of a friend of mine) like an epileptic spider fell into an inkwell and staggered across the page! Not to mention that it takes me much longer to write things on paper than it does to type them (I'm a very fast typist.) Nope--I'll keep my keyboard, thanks! :) --Robyn ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 17:31:36 -0700 Reply-To: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List Sender: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List From: Robert Simpson Subject: Re: How futuristic writers input text MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Some sci-fi writers have speculated that at some point computers will be able to interprete thoughts and can carry out instructions based on specific thoughts, and to extropate couldn't this technology then be used for a writer to input text. I say this is doubtful, well when I say that I mean it's unlikely to happen within the next couple of centuries. The human brain is a mess of jumbled thoughts all overlapping on each other. Because it's our own head we can sift through it to pick out the thoughts we're interested in, but how do you begin to program a computer to do the same. A possible paragraph written using this technology would probably go like this: "Jason pulled on his coat as he walked into the hallway, what kind of coat - a trench coat. What colour? Doesn't matter. Oh damn it's writing this down, well, at leats it works, I can edit this out later.. putting his hat firmly on his head, nah that's no good, swinging the door open wide he stepped out into the night. Should it be raining? No. Cold? yeah! The cold hitting like a physical blow he shuddered and pulled the coat more firmly around himself. I wonder what's for dinner?" I think a combination of voice activation and physical interfaces such as keyboards will probably be the main link between man and machine for quite some time to come. BTW I'm trying to get a website together that'll deal with pseudo-scientific explanations for futuristic devices, giving half-plausible explanations for how things might work. The intent is that writers could use, or develop these explanations for their own work. So, does anyone know of any websites from which I can draw inspiration? Rab ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 11:33:30 +1000 Reply-To: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List Sender: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List From: "Jenn V." Subject: WORK: tentacles obscene MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm working on a story which involves cultural difference - anyone mind if I take the forearm-obscenity thing? It would be a *beautiful* example of difference for my story.. Jenn V. -- It's amazing where you can go with a completely false premise Jenn Vesperman jenn@brisnet.org.au http://www.brisnet.org.au/~jenn ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 21:40:39 -0500 Reply-To: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List Sender: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List From: Jean Lorrah Subject: JOKE: Warranty Registration Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > This was actually posted very briefly on the McDonnell Douglas > website by an employee there who obviously has a sense of humor. > The company, made the web department take it down immediately. > > WARRANTY REGISTRATION > Thank you for purchasing a McDonnell Douglas military aircraft. In > order to protect your new investment, please take a few moments to > fill out the warranty registration card below. Answering the survey > questions is not required, but the information > will help > us to develop new products that best meet your needs and desires. > > > 1. [_] Mr. [_] Mrs. [_] Ms. [_] Miss [_] Lt. > > [_] Gen. [_] Comrade [_] Classified [_] Other > > First Name: .................................................... > > Initial: ........ > > Last Name: .................................................... > > Password: .............................. (max 8 char) > > Code Name: ..................................................... > > Latitude-Longitude-Altitude: ........... ........... ......... > > > 2. Which model aircraft did you purchase? > > [_] F-14 Tomcat > > [_] F-15 Eagle > > [_] F-16 Falcon > > [_] F-117A Stealth > > [_] Classified > > > 3. Date of purchase (Year/Month/Day): 19....... / ...... / ...... > > 4. Serial Number: ................................................ > > > 5. Please check where this product was purchased: > > [_] Received as gift / aid package > > [_] Catalog showroom > > [_] Independent arms broker > > [_] Mail order > > [_] Discount store > > [_] Government surplus > > [_] Classified > > > 6. Please check how you became aware of the McDonnell Douglas > product you have just purchased: > > [_] Heard loud noise, looked up > > [_] Store display > > [_] Espionage > > [_] Recommended by friend / relative / ally > > [_] Political lobbying by manufacturer > > [_] Was attacked by one > > > 7. Please check the three (3) factors that most influenced your > decision to purchase this McDonnell Douglas product: > > [_] Style / appearance > > [_] Speed / maneuverability > > [_] Price / value > > [_] Comfort / convenience > > [_] Kickback / bribe > > [_] Recommended by salesperson > > [_] McDonnell Douglas reputation > > [_] Advanced Weapons Systems > > [_] Backroom politics > > [_] Negative experience opposing one in combat > > > 8. Please check the location(s) where this product will be used: > > [_] North America > > [_] Central / South America > > [_] Aircraft carrier > > [_] Europe > > [_] Middle East > > [_] Africa > > [_] Asia / Far East > > [_] Misc. Third World countries > > [_] Classified > > > 9. Please check the products that you currently own or intend to > purchase in the near future: > > [_] Color TV > > [_] VCR > > [_] ICBM > > [_] Killer Satellite > > [_] CD Player > > [_] Air-to-Air Missiles > > [_] Space Shuttle > > [_] Home Computer > > [_] Nuclear Weapon > > > 10. How would you describe yourself or your organization? > (Check all that apply:) > > [_] Communist / Socialist > > [_] Terrorist > > [_] Crazed > > [_] Neutral > > [_] Democratic > > [_] Dictatorship > > [_] Corrupt > > [_] Primitive / Tribal > > > 11. 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Please write to: > > McDONNELL DOUGLAS CORPORATION > Marketing Department > Military Aerospace Division > P.O. Box 800, St. Louis, MO Jean Lorrah A21711F@msumusik.mursuky.edu (If no reply in 72 hours, try Jean1@Juno.com) If I understood everything, there wouldn't be any experience.--Robert Plant http://www.geocities.com/Athens/3439 http://www.geocities.com/Athens/4165 ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 00:21:29 -0400 Reply-To: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List Sender: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List From: "Hannah M.G. Shapero" Subject: Miscellaneous comments In-Reply-To: <354A77EA.4D24CDD2@brisnet.org.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > I'm working on a story which involves cultural difference - anyone mind if > I take the forearm-obscenity thing? It would be a *beautiful* example of > difference for my story.. Jenn: Please do. I think I might have been the one to come up with the idea of tentacles as erogenous/obscene/modesty items. But since I don't write any Sime/Gen, it's all yours. Or anyone else's. Next comment: On STAR TREK VOYAGER the Borg babe (7 of 9) is still equipped with what are called "assimilation tubules" on her left arm. They do seem a lot like Sime tentacles. In one show they were shown exiting and retracting from sheaths on her semi-mechanical arm. Next question, since you are an Australian: Are there any forests in Australia? HMGS ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 18:18:16 +1000 Reply-To: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List Sender: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List From: "Jenn V." Subject: Gossip: Forests in Australia MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hannah M.G. Shapero wrote: > > Next question, since you are an Australian: Are there any forests in > Australia? > Most definately. Soon as you asked that, I thought of the film 'Fern Gully', an animated eco-flick (sorry, but it delivers its moral with a sledgehammer. Aside from that, a nice film), which is set in an Australian rainforest near Mt Warning in northern New South Wales. Australian ecology is very different from US ecology. I honestly thought for a long time that the forests on Dantooine or Tatoonie (or whatever - the Ewok forest) were faked. Sets. Trees just don't grow that wide and that straight. Well. I've been TOLD that it's a real forest, and a typical one. So.. The correct answer is 'yes and no'. We have rainforest, open forest, scrub forest and mangrove swampland, all of which categorise as 'forest'. But our largest trees are eucalypts and related species, and they don't have the same growth patterns as yew, oak, maple and beech. We have forest, grasslands, swamplands and scrub all along the eastern coastland, east of and slightly west of the ranges (Great Dividing Range, similar geographically to the Appalachian range on the east of the USA - ie, it provides a barrier between the wetter east coast and the dryer inland region.) West of the Range is a strip of grassland/prarie/downsland, which fades into the dry inland - in your case, wide Kansas prarie. In our case, desert. West of that is a shelf of mountainous uplands - on both continents! - and south and west of that we have forest and scrub again, near Perth. Hope that answers you. Jenn V. -- It's amazing where you can go with a completely false premise Jenn Vesperman jenn@brisnet.org.au http://www.brisnet.org.au/~jenn ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 09:49:55 -0400 Reply-To: nova@li.net Sender: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List From: Nova Subject: Earth Final Conflict and Deep Space Nine tape. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was away in Florida last week (April 25th) and missed the Earth Final Conflict and Deep Space 9 Episode that aired then. I had my VCR set up but I think Don forgot to hit the timer record button. I believe the Earth Final Conflict had one of the companions on trial. If anyone has these on tape and can dub I would love a copy. I can send you a blank with a SASE. Or you can send me a tape and I can make a copy for myself and send the tape back to you. I have a dual deck VCR Any help would be appreciated. Nova ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 18:53:46 -0500 Reply-To: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List Sender: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List From: Jean Lorrah Subject: OFFTOPIC: Anagrams Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" There are enough language-lovers on this list that I thought you might enjoy this. Jean From: juberman@sas.upenn.edu (Judith Berman) An Anagram, as we all know, is a word or phrase made by transposing or rearranging the letters of another word or phrase. Dormitory == Dirty Room Evangelist == Evil's Agent Desperation == A Rope Ends It The Morse Code == Here Come Dots Slot Machines == Cash Lost in 'em Animosity == Is No Amity Mother-in-law == Woman Hitler Snooze Alarms == Alas! No More Z's Alec Guinness == Genuine Class Semolina == Is No Meal The Public Art Galleries == Large Picture Halls, I Bet A Decimal Point == I'm a Dot in Place The Earthquakes == That Queer Shake Eleven plus two == Twelve plus one Contradiction == Accord not in it Politicians: George Herbert Walker Bush == Huge Berserk Rebel Warthog George Bush == He bugs Gore Ronald Reagan == A darn long era Leroy Newton Gingrich == Yon Right-winger Clone === To be or not to be: that is the question, whether tis nobler in the mind to suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune. == In one of the Bard's best-thought-of tragedies, our insistent hero, Hamlet, queries on two fronts about how life turns rotten. And the grand finale: "That's one small step for a man, one giant leap for mankind." -- Neil A. Armstrong == A thin man ran; makes a large stride; left planet, pins flag on moon! On to Mars! Judith Berman, Ph.D. Research Associate American Section University of Pennsylvania Museum 33rd & Spruce Streets Philadelphia, PA 19104-6324 Jean Lorrah A21711F@msumusik.mursuky.edu (If no reply in 72 hours, try Jean1@Juno.com) If I understood everything, there wouldn't be any experience.--Robert Plant http://www.geocities.com/Athens/3439 http://www.geocities.com/Athens/4165 ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 20:38:01 -0500 Reply-To: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List Sender: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List From: Sandra Gray Subject: Re: OFFTOPIC: Anagrams Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" My husband knows of another one for you: Ronald Wilson Reagan = Insane Anglo Warlord Sandra sandragray@rica.net ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 20:35:29 -0400 Reply-To: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List Sender: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List From: Lisa W Subject: Re: OFFTOPIC: Anagrams In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19980502235346.006befbc@msumusik.mursuky.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII that was quite good! Thank you, Jean! Hugs all around! Lisa who really exists. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 08:32:21 -0500 Reply-To: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List Sender: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List From: Kandace Klumper Subject: Digen questions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Someone asked how between MT and RenSime Digen became junct again. > > Uh.... my memory is that Laneff spent a fair portion of the story develop= ing her drug to rejunct Digen before he killed someone or himself. It was = exactly because he was disjunct that was causing all the mini explosions ar= ound him. Am I remembering this wrong? I guess I might have to re-read th= is book, though it's one of my least favorites. > > Robert McCann replied --> Laneff was trying to develop a drug to discriminate Sime fetuses from Gen fetuses in vitreo. Ercy spend must of her young life trying to develop a drug to disjunct Digen. << Did I read and entirely different book? I know Ercy spent most of her chi= ldhood trying to come up with the legendary drug kerduvon, and in the end i= t was Halimar Grant that provided it. Digen did disjunct. He's still disjunct at the opening of renSime but getting very old and beca= use his endowment has manifested but been locked up he has the habit of com= busting things around him, much to the danger of his attendants. Laneff ha= s developed a form of kerduvon or something that will reverse the disjuncti= on thereby ending the fireworks. She succeeds, only by then it's too late,= Digen dies. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 11:11:19 -0400 Reply-To: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List Sender: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List From: Larry P Ulrey Subject: CONS:Bucconeer party I had asked for opinions about whether we should move the party to a different night. So far of the opinions I've gotten, most feel that Friday will still work best even though the Hugos are that night. So we'll still plan to have it then. Since Jacqueline and Jean may want to turn in early, we'll start it at 9pm, although we might open the door a little earlier if we're all set up. Of course, we may not get a lot of people until after tthe Hugos are over, but we still should have a reasonable number showing up even while the Hugos are going on. After all, not everyone goes to the Hugos. I'm not sure how long it'll last. That will depend on when I need to crash. But I'd guess it should be going until about 1am. Whoever makes up the flyers for the party, leave the closing time open-ended however. Larry Ulrey ulrey@juno.com _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 12:13:40 EDT Reply-To: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List Sender: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List From: KLitman323 Subject: Jacqueline's Mail Problems Comments: cc: zeor@ucs.net, AmbrovZeor@aol.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I caught Jacqueline on instant message today, and she wanted me to share this with you since she can not get Listmail and DOES NOT want her subscription changed... ".....both UCS and AOL failed me, with different software too. I think it's the phone company and will get fixed in time. But MEANWHILE would you drop a note to the List that I'm cut off for the moment. " She further tells me that when the mail gets "repaired" she will be back in touch, with her schedule permitting. ---- Karen Litman ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 12:28:25 EDT Reply-To: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List Sender: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List From: KLitman323 Subject: Jacqueline's e-mail problems Comments: cc: zeor@ucs.net, AmbrovZeor@aol.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit As I mentioned before, Jacqueline wrote through instant message..... "The email will come back in time -- so I just wanted people to know what happened -- why I'm not posting today. Today is my day to post, and I don't know when I'll get another chance. Not tomorrow, probably not Wed. Maybe Thursday but it depends. I have appointments galore this month." ---- Karen Litman ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 16:18:23 -0500 Reply-To: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List Sender: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List From: Jean Lorrah Subject: TECH: Free Statistics for your Website Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Webmasters, Check out http://www.freestats.com . In return for putting their banner on your page, they will constantly update your statistics, such as how many hits your page gets, what countries people are visiting from, what hosts they are using, etc. Could be useful information. Jean Jean Lorrah A21711F@msumusik.mursuky.edu ***May 21-26, reach me at Jean1@Juno.com.*** http://www.geocities.com/Athens/3439 http://www.geocities.com/Athens/4165 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 19:40:18 +1000 Reply-To: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List Sender: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List From: "Peter R. Jones" Subject: Re: TECH: Free Statistics for your Website In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19980504211823.006ce08c@msumusik.mursuky.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hiya, >Webmasters, > Check out http://www.freestats.com ... On my page I use http://www.pagecount.com which provides pretty much the same statistics as Jean has listed for freestats... I can't see myself switching to freestats at this stage, so I'm not even gonna look at what sorta details they provide - but anyone who is after this sort of information might like to compare the two :-) Pete. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Come and visit Pete's Place @ http://www.powerup.com.au/%7Epjones or just drop me a line @ email: pjones@powerup.com.au ----------------------------------------------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 07:55:47 -0600 Reply-To: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List Sender: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List From: Edward Bornstein Subject: HUMOR: Ancient Tech Support In-Reply-To: <19980504133511718.AAA293@Klumperk.Boystown.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" More electronic oral tradition ... ----------------------------------------------- The tech support problem dates back to long before the industrial revolution, when primitive tribesmen beat out a rhythm on drums to communicate: This fire help. Me Groog Me Lorto. Help. Fire not work. You have flint and stone? Ugh You hit them together? Ugh What happen? Fire not work (sigh) Make spark? No spark, no fire, me confused. Fire work yesterday. *sigh* You change rock? I change nothing You sure? Me make one change. Stone hot so me soak in stream so stone not burn Lorto hand. Small change, shouldn't keep Lorto from make fire. *Grabs club and goes to Lorto's cave* *WHAM*WHAM*WHAM*WHAM* -- "As the _Dying Swan _ spurted from the momship's belly, worldkiller starbombs gestating beneath savage winglets, to featherfall upon the somnolent globe, Li-Hon Auletek, the Living Buddha of the Universal Pacifist Church, parted his lips in a wolverinesque sneer. " My 1997 losing Bulwer-Lytton entry. Captain Button - button@io.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 20:36:23 -0700 Reply-To: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List Sender: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List From: Susan Ross Moore Subject: Humor: Take a letter Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" This has obviously been forwarded quite a bit, but I thought the writers among us would enjoy this. Caution, read with care at work. You'll probably howl! Susan >From: Miri >Subject: Fwd: Fw: Take a letter >Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 01:43:36 -0500 > >>>> The following are some of the winners in a New York Magazine >>>> contest, in which the rules were: take ANY well-known phrase in >>>> ANY foreign language, change JUST ONE SINGLE LETTER, and then >>>> provide a definition for the new expression. >>>> >>>> x HARLEZ-VOUS FRANCAIS? Can you drive a French motorcycle? >>>> x IDIOS AMIGOS. We are two wild and crazy guys from south of >>>> the border. >>>> x COGITO, EGGO SUM. I think, therefore I am a waffle. >>>> x RIGOR MORRIS. The cat is dead. >>>> x RESPONDEZ S'IL VOUS PLAID. Honk if you're Scottish. >>>> x QUE SERA SERF. Life is feudal. >>>> x LE ROI EST MORT, JIVE LE ROI. The king is dead. No kidding. >>>> x POSH MORTEM. Death styles of the rich and famous. >>>> x VENI, VIPI, VICI. I came, I'm a very important person, I >>>> conquered. >>>> x PRO BOZO PUBLICO. Support your local clown. >>>> x MONAGE A TROIS. I am three years old. >>>> x FELIX NAVIDAD. Our cat has a boat. >>>> x HASTE CUISINE. Fast French food. >>>> x VENI, VIDI, VICE. I came, I saw, I partied. >>>> x QUIP PRO QUO. A fast retort. >>>> x ALOHA OY. Love; greetings, farewell; from such a pain you >>>> should never know. >>>> x MAZEL TON. Tons of good luck. >>>> x APRES MOE LE DELUGE. Curly and Larry got wet. >>>> x PORT-KOCHERE. Sacramental wine. >>>> x SAVOIR FAIRY: That moment when you realize the Tooth Fairy >>>> is your dad. >>>> x DE FICTO: We made that up. >>>> x DE FARTO: Everyone's getting off the elevator at the next >>>> floor. >>>> x LAISSEZ CAIRE: Exiting Egypt. >>>> x CINCO DE MANO: I have five fingers. >>>> x SOUP D'ETAT: Heck, if we have a national *song*, why not >___________________________________________________________ > miri@prismnet.com miri@stigma.com > http://www.blarg.net/~miri/ http://www.stigma.com *********************************************** Need to advertise or show off a favorite photo? Of course you do!! You need buttons! Visit the Fannish Enterprises Web site at: http://www.angelfire.com/biz/fannishenterprises *********************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 11:25:47 -0500 Reply-To: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List Sender: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List From: Jacqueline Lichtenberg Subject: JL back on email -- [ From: Jacqueline Lichtenberg * EMC.Ver #3.0 ] -- Folks: My ISP's email blackout is over. Now to catch up. Meanwhile, I've been functioning via AIM (the AOL instant message chat thingie I described a while back -- to get it, free, if you're not on AOL go to http://www.aol.com and look for Instant Messenger -- it's a free download.) Also I've been on the IRC #sgtalk channel workshopping a story. I'm going to be away from my desk a lot in May. Live Long and Prosper, Jacqueline Lichtenberg THE BIBLICAL TAROT:"Never Cross A Palm With Silver" is now in Barnes&Noble and at amazon.com. The second book in the series has been turned in. Connect to the Sime~Gen Webring and find out how to get the next Sime~Gen novel! On The Zeor Visitor's at http://www.j51.com/~zeor click on Directory. I reserve the right to repost any comment that comes to me that is NOT MARKED DNQ or in some way obviously personal. My SF Review Column is posted monthly at http://www.lightworks. com/MonthlyAspectarian Join the Sime~Gen Listserve, surf the Virtual Tecton starting at Tecton Central http://www.best.com/~shadorat/sg/sgfr.html Sign up for the free Email S~G Newsletter (a few pages, twice a month max)at http://www.tertius.net.au/simegen/signup/ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 11:26:18 -0500 Reply-To: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List Sender: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List From: Jacqueline Lichtenberg Subject: Marion Zimmer Bradley pb's for sale -- [ From: Jacqueline Lichtenberg * EMC.Ver #3.0 ] -- Folks: I was at the library the other day, and found on their sale rack the following for .50 each so anyone who wants them can have them for $1.75 with postage. Titles of the paperbacks (they look read-once and are all in what I'd consider good condition -- whoever had them was a neat person and didn't break the spines and bend the covers while reading and didn't scribble marginal notes either). The Ruins of Isis Web of Light (this is one of two connected novels and the other one is called Web of Darkness -- I think they were later published in one volume -- it's set in Atlantis -- and is one of her best I think). Sharra's Exile (has a tear in the Hannah Shapero cover of Sharra in flames) Thendara House (which carries an acknowledgement of my contribution to this project). I don't need these copies, so let me know if you want them (or one of them) to complete your collection (or start it). Remember the HUGE factor MZB is in my writing style, and in how I teach writing in the workshop here. Live Long and Prosper, Jacqueline Lichtenberg THE BIBLICAL TAROT:"Never Cross A Palm With Silver" is now in Barnes&Noble and at amazon.com. The second book in the series has been turned in. Connect to the Sime~Gen Webring and find out how to get the next Sime~Gen novel! On The Zeor Visitor's at http://www.j51.com/~zeor click on Directory. I reserve the right to repost any comment that comes to me that is NOT MARKED DNQ or in some way obviously personal. My SF Review Column is posted monthly at http://www.lightworks. com/MonthlyAspectarian Join the Sime~Gen Listserve, surf the Virtual Tecton starting at Tecton Central http://www.best.com/~shadorat/sg/sgfr.html Sign up for the free Email S~G Newsletter (a few pages, twice a month max)at http://www.tertius.net.au/simegen/signup/ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 12:40:04 -0500 Reply-To: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List Sender: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List From: Jacqueline Lichtenberg Subject: Re: Gossip: Forests in Australia -- [ From: Jacqueline Lichtenberg * EMC.Ver #3.0 ] -- Jenn wrote: > Australian ecology is very different from US ecology. I honestly thought for a > long time that the forests on Dantooine or Tatoonie (or whatever - the Ewok > forest) were faked. Sets. Trees just don't grow that wide and that straight. > > Well. I've been TOLD that it's a real forest, and a typical one. So.. > No, Jenn, the redwoods are NOT TYPICAL of anything else in the world. That's why they're so precious to the ecology-savvy folk of this world. That Redwood forest (I've been there -- I grew up in Northern Calif. ) really looks like it seemed on the screen, and looking at it, I could SMELL it -- redwoods smell distinctively as do Pines. And I could hear the "silence rushing" that is the sound of a redwood forest (scooters notwithstanding). There used to be a couple of Redwood trees like that on the block where I grew up -- but not a forest of them. Most of the trees there were Sycamore. But just one Redwood tree sings that distinctive Redwood song. And smells that Redwood smell. I've been in virgin forest in Vermont (Katie Filipowicz took me) -- primal ancient forest of trees more than a hundred years old (evergreen and deciduous) -- the virgin forest as the people who first pioneered this Eastern Seaboard found it -- the forest the Indians lived in. So dark that it was dank and cold on a sunny hot August day and more than an hour before sundown you felt you wanted a flashlight. Wherever sun penetrated, swarms of flies thick enough to be daunting. It also had tall, huge straight trees two people couldn't put their arms around and link hands. But it was NOTHING LIKE a Redwood forest. I love forests -- but I'm telling you, I wouldn't have wanted to live in that Vermont forest. (but I would in a Redwood forest) There was a little bitty House there, the preserved and reconstructed remnant of a real pioneer's house. (small like the cabins preserved in California) It gave me a strong (maybe psychic) impression of what it meant to live under that dense foliage all the time and never - ever - see sunlight except as maybe a shaft here and there. The House and the community it was part of was at that place in that forest to help keep a trade road open -- yes, the pioneers hacked tunnels through forest like that and ran trade wagons along it and called it a road. Then more people came and "cleared" the forest resulting in the open grassland effect that's there now. The farms and so forth that are necessary. Disturb that inter-leaved ecology that makes 'forest" and the entity that is forest dies. The shrinkage of a forest is not accounted for just by the trees that are cut down. That's what's so horrifying about what's going on in the rainforests around the world. We're going to lose the very air we're breathing if we're not careful. And since we're breathing the air made by those forests (such as the Amazon) I think we ought to be paying for the preservation of them somehow, not just expecting other countries not to follow the same path we took here -- destroying our forests in the name of progress. In the shopping malls in this country, there's a chain of restaurants called Rainforest -- it tries (perhaps too hard) to give you an impression of what it's like inside a Rainforest. Perhaps a new generation of kids will grow up with some feeling for how important forests are. Lest folk get the wrong impression: I also adore deserts. Prairie isn't something that makes sense to me, because I haven't spent much time there. I've always lived on the coasts. Live Long and Prosper, Jacqueline Lichtenberg THE BIBLICAL TAROT:"Never Cross A Palm With Silver" is now in Barnes&Noble and at amazon.com. The second book in the series has been turned in. Connect to the Sime~Gen Webring and find out how to get the next Sime~Gen novel! On The Zeor Visitor's at http://www.j51.com/~zeor click on Directory. I reserve the right to repost any comment that comes to me that is NOT MARKED DNQ or in some way obviously personal. My SF Review Column is posted monthly at http://www.lightworks. com/MonthlyAspectarian Join the Sime~Gen Listserve, surf the Virtual Tecton starting at Tecton Central http://www.best.com/~shadorat/sg/sgfr.html Sign up for the free Email S~G Newsletter (a few pages, twice a month max)at http://www.tertius.net.au/simegen/signup/ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 12:44:40 -0500 Reply-To: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List Sender: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List From: Jacqueline Lichtenberg Subject: MARION ZIMMER BRADLEY - 2 books taken -- [ From: Jacqueline Lichtenberg * EMC.Ver #3.0 ] -- Folks: WEB OF LIGHT and RUINS OF ISIS have been taken. That leaves SHARRA'S EXILE and THENDARA HOUSE up for grabs. $1.75 apiece includes shipping. Live Long and Prosper, Jacqueline Lichtenberg THE BIBLICAL TAROT:"Never Cross A Palm With Silver" is now in Barnes&Noble and at amazon.com. The second book in the series has been turned in. Connect to the Sime~Gen Webring and find out how to get the next Sime~Gen novel! On The Zeor Visitor's at http://www.j51.com/~zeor click on Directory. I reserve the right to repost any comment that comes to me that is NOT MARKED DNQ or in some way obviously personal. My SF Review Column is posted monthly at http://www.lightworks. com/MonthlyAspectarian Join the Sime~Gen Listserve, surf the Virtual Tecton starting at Tecton Central http://www.best.com/~shadorat/sg/sgfr.html Sign up for the free Email S~G Newsletter (a few pages, twice a month max)at http://www.tertius.net.au/simegen/signup/ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 17:38:49 -0500 Reply-To: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List Sender: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List From: rickeshay Subject: Re: Gossip: Forests in Australia MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit JL wrote >>Prairie isn't something that makes sense to me, because I haven't spent much time there.<< Prairie has a great advantage over Forests. The trees are few and far between.(G) Rick ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 22:27:53 -0500 Reply-To: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List Sender: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List From: Jean Lorrah Subject: TECH: Millenium Glitch Comments: To: cormo@juno.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" CIA Fretting About Millennium Glitch by Reuters May 6, 1998 Many countries appear to be ill-prepared for the disruption to basic services that the Year 2000 computer problem may cause, the head of the Central Intelligence Agency office studying the issue said. "We're concerned about the potential disruption of power grids, telecommunications, and banking services" among other possible fallout, especially in countries already torn by political tensions, Sherry Burns said. In an interview with Reuters, she said CIA systems engineers and intelligence analysts were focusing beyond the technical problem of reprogramming computers to recognize dates when the new millennium dawns on January 1, 2000. Instead, the agency has begun to collect and analyze information on preparations for the "social, political, and economic tumult" that could result from interruptions of essential services in some fragile societies. Millions of computers and embedded chips--some central to financial markets, air traffic control systems, and even elevators and heating systems in office buildings--cannot distinguish between 1900 and 2000 because years have been expressed in two-digit shorthand in old programming. The glitch, known as the Y2K problem, may trigger widespread disruptions because not all computers will be fixed by December 31, 1999. With the world's computer networks largely linked, the use of data that has been converted to the new millennium standard improperly--or not converted at all--could infect newly reprogrammed systems, Burns said. According to the CIA assessment, the threat of turmoil is greatest among people who are unaware of the key role that bits and bytes play in providing essential services and bringing goods to markets, even in less-developed countries. "There is very little realization that there will be disruption" of basic services as some computers shut down or go haywire, even among business leaders, Burns said. "As you start getting out into the population, I think most people are again assuming that things are going to operate the way they always have," she said. "That is not going to be the case." Many governments are "unprepared for what could potentially be some fairly tough circumstances," she added. In an initial effort to gauge preparations, the CIA received a wide range of feedback last year, not all of it very encouraging, Burns said. One overseas contact said his country would be safe because it used a "different calendar." Others acknowledged the issue was not on their radar scope. Someone from a Middle Eastern country told the CIA not to worry about the millennium "bug." "When we see it, we'll spray for it," Burns paraphrased that source as saying. As part of the agency's increased interest in the Y2K problem, some CIA employees have been briefed on preparing themselves for potential fallout. They were advised to pay their bills early in December 1999 to avoid possible processing problems, keep cash on hand in case automatic teller machines failed, and lay in extra blankets in case of a blackout on a cold New Year's Eve night, Burns said. Jean Lorrah A21711F@msumusik.mursuky.edu ***May 21-26, reach me at Jean1@Juno.com.*** http://www.geocities.com/Athens/3439 http://www.geocities.com/Athens/4165 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 17:38:51 +1000 Reply-To: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List Sender: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List From: Zoe Subject: Hello from Gossamer. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit (Delurking) G’Day List folk. I just received a snail mail from Gossamer. And she has added a letter that she has asked my to send to the list. Also I have sent her print copies of the survey and intro letters JL posted. Here follows Gossamer’s letter. If anyone want to post a letter to gossamer, they can send it via my personal eddress. I can print it out and post it to her. From here, on Brisbane, it only takes two working days for mail to get to Melbourne. I think she would still be thrilled with getting snail mail from OS (over seas) though. This would help if you wanted her to get it more quickly. Zoe Farris. Dearest most wonderful S~G people, You have obviously all discovered how to bottle selyn, for what was in the packages I’ve received in the last few days has made me feel so much better it must have been Transfer. ………Oh, hang on, I’m Gen…..So much for metaphors. I shall attempt to restrain myself to facts. I’m sending this via Zoe because she’s the only Aussie S~G person whose address I could find.(Jenn, I’ve lost yours-please mail me.) So, with a bit of luck she’ll be able to type it in for me. Thanks Zoe, your wonderful. ((It’s an honour and a privilege to be able to help. Zoe)) As for that mail, I have had much, Much, MUch, MUCH Joy in reading through the four books I bought off one of the list members, whose name eludes me (sorry), the one Zoe sent me so I could read one of the books I was missing, and a bunch of zines & a copy of Dreamspy from JL! An embarrassment of riches. : ) The only complicated bit was when I was crying over one of the sad bits and had to explain what S~G was to one of the nurses! Does anyone have a few short sentences that do the trick? I suspect it’s about as hard as a few short sentences to explain CSF/FMS. Speaking of which, this hospital is most magnificent. : ) : ) The staff understand and believe what’s wrong with me; I’m now getting extra tests that have shown up some trouble problems nobody had known I had; & I feel it’s actually doing some good. I’m the youngest patient here by years and years, so at least half the staff have adopted me. The food is even good-truly a miracle. Doctor’s last guess is I’ll be here for another month at least… Basically I’d only be out before then if it seemed to stop helping me. And much to my joy and amazement it is helping now, so I’m very happy to stay awhile. I’ll stop now, this is nearly 3 pages of handwriting and I don’t want to cause Zoe to get RSI! Miss you lots, Gossamer. P.S. Forgot- I do have access to a laptop when I get around to bribing somebody to pick it up for me. So, I - My- be email only online sometime in the next two weeks. Or maybe not, depends if I have spare energy after physio, OT, workshop, physio, phych, relaxation…You get the idea. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 07:55:23 -0500 Reply-To: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List Sender: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List From: Kandace Klumper Subject: Prairie MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable JL wrote --> >>Lest folk get the wrong impression: I also adore deserts. Prairie isn't >>something that makes sense to me, because I haven't spent much time there= . >>I've always lived on the coasts. That's why the Prairie was unsettled for so long. No one thought it was go= od for anything, until they discovered the vast heards of bison. Like ever= y thing else Man tends to touch, they quickly decimated the wildlife. With= out that Prairie there wouldn't be the great abundance of cattle for beef, = and leather goods there is today.=20 Just please keep that in mind next time you think about the Prairie. I've = seen the splendor of the Red Wood forest and the tree covered country of V= irginia and the sandy beauty of Arizona, but I'm a country girl born and ra= ised and love the wide open expanse of fields ripening and tall grass wavin= g of the Plains. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 08:17:09 -0700 Reply-To: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List Sender: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List From: Jaye Subject: Re: SIMEGEN-L Digest - 5 May 1998 to 6 May 1998 In-Reply-To: <199805070502.AAA169298@saluki-mail.siu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Welcome back Jacqueline!!!! Would you tell me/us where in Ca you grew up? (fantasizing about going and taking a picture of the house as a pilgrimage to a "Shrine"! if you're willing to get that specific - and yes, I promise not to "bug" anyone living there or near there -- if I'm ever near there - I'm planning to go to harp camp in Ben Lomond - in the middle of an old-growth redwood grove! - in July and visit a friend in Walnut Creek.) Also, I'll be glad if you're interested to play or even write a ditty in honor of S~G and all of the people here while I'm there in the grove.... if I know anyone is interested. (Maybe I can make a MIDI or a real-audio of it when I get home and post it!) Jaye http://www.wingedharper.com/ "Old Friends, they mean much more to me than new friends Cos they can see where you are, and they know where you've been. Harry Chapin ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 15:58:31 +1000 Reply-To: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List Sender: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List From: Zoe Subject: Re: Hello Gossamer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear list folk, For those who have sent a hello to Gossamer, i have printed them out and i will send them on Monday. She will be thrilled when she gets them. Thank you. Stay Safe, Stay Strong. Zoe ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 19:34:41 -0500 Reply-To: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List Sender: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List From: Jean Lorrah Subject: OFFTOPIC: Reading and TV Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Unfocused Group Americans watch a lot of TV -- while they're doing other things Television Today Attention, couch potatoes: Are you slicing yourself too thin? Has TV watching -- that most passive of activities -- become just another chore you need to fit into your busy day? Do you find yourself giving less than your full attention to the television set, as other activities -- vacuuming, eating, talking, dozing or even (gasp) reading -- increasingly intrude on what once was sacred time, spent with your family in front of the electronic hearth? If you answered yes to these questions, Maura Clancey says you're not alone. Clancey is director of client services for Westfield, N.J.-based Statistical Research Inc., the company that, among other things, has been using Philadelphia as a test market for new ways of measuring television viewing. As the head of an SRI-sponsored committee that's conducting national studies of how people use television, Clancey's interested in the kind of stats that go well beyond the weekly Nielsen ratings. She doesn't so much want to know whether you watched "Seinfeld" or "Diagnosis Murder" last Thursday at 9, but what else you were doing at the time. Watching or just listening? Cleaning up the dinner dishes or flopped out on the sofa? Were you with someone, or was a spouse or child watching something else in another room? In a paper Clancey delivered last fall to the 1997 European Television Symposium in Budapest on "What It Means to Be in the Television Audience," she likened attempts to measure viewers' involvement with a particular show to the board game Clue ("Colonel Mustard in the library with the candlestick"). "Basically, I have room settings that make a difference, programs that could make a difference . . . I think of Clue as a house with these different rooms and these different scenarios," Clancey said in a phone interview last week. "There's a lot of competing pressures for people's time," she said. "My feeling is that with television being a co-activity more often than not, people sort of monitor [ it ] . . . It doesn't mean because you're engaged in another activity, that you're not interested," she added. "I have two small children. I rarely watch television," but often listen to it while doing other things, she said. Among Clancey's findings: More than 70 percent of viewers surveyed reported at least one other activity while watching or listening to TV. The most commonly reported "co-activity" is reading, engaged in by as much of 18 percent of the viewers during prime time. In an attempt to demonstrate that a slight decline in average daily viewing wasn't due to the use of personal computers -- which so far haven't emerged as a big factor -- Clancey said she once constructed some tongue-in-cheek pie charts that showed the percentage of viewers who were also reading, suggesting "we have to watch out because reading is going to take over television viewing." Viewers tend to be more involved in watching prime-time shows than they do in morning or daytime shows, more engaged in drama shows than in comedies and more likely to be paying attention to shows they're watching in the living room or family room than to shows they have on in the kitchen. Not surprisingly, they're also more likely to be engaged in shows they chose themselves. Thanks to the growth of the multi-set household, more people than ever are watching TV alone, even during prime time, when 36 percent of viewers in multi-set households report watching alone. Some viewers still are compromising, however, with only 67 percent of those surveyed saying they'd have selected the same program if they were alone. Clancey, whose next report is on channel-switching (yes, men do it more, she said), isn't entirely sure what use broadcasters and advertisers might make of her research. "There are a lot of interaction effects here," she said. "A comedy that is on in prime time that you personally selected . . . is going to have a high proportion of eyes-on minutes [ but ] I think drama to some degree, just by the nature of the programming, might require" more attention, she said. Bottom line? "Advertisers are concerned about getting an audience that is attentive." You can reach Ellen Gray by e-mail at elgray@phillynews.com, by fax at 215-854-5852 or by mail at the Philadelphia Daily News, Box 7788, Philadelphia, Pa. 19101. Jean Lorrah A21711F@msumusik.mursuky.edu ***May 21-26, reach me at Jean1@Juno.com.*** http://www.geocities.com/Athens/3439 http://www.geocities.com/Athens/4165 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 23:21:57 EDT Reply-To: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List Sender: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List From: KLitman323 Subject: Re: OFFTOPIC: Reading and TV Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit This sure sounds like me. For YEARS I could sing a song (and I still do) along with a record and read a book at the same time.....knowing completely what each item was about. I've done this with the TV (reading newspapers at the same time) or doing dishes, paying bills. [But not paying bills while doing dishes --- grin] You name it, I've probably attempted it while watching/listening to the TV. What I can't seem to do is follow the TV and the computer at the same time. Partially because they are in different rooms. ------ Karen Litman ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 07:54:37 -0500 Reply-To: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List Sender: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List From: Jean Lorrah Subject: Junct Mentality Today Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Real news stories: Two Jonesboro, Ark., boys accused of using a fire alarm to lure classmates and teachers into a hail of gunfire have set off the jail fire-sprinkler system and gotten into a food fight with other inmates, Craighead County Sheriff Dale Haas said Thursday. Haas said, "In that age group, for juvenile delinquents, to be somewhat destructive is common." Mitchell Johnson, 13, and Drew Golden, 11, are charged with killing four girls and a teacher March 24 at the Westside Middle School. A Japanese family court sentenced a 17-year-old to a reformatory yesterday for tormenting a younger boy into hanging himself, ruling that schoolyard bullies can be held responsible if their victims commit suicide. Judge Keiko Iijima said the older boy -- whose name was withheld under Japan's juvenile law -- had assaulted and extorted money from Yoshiyuki Suzuki, a 14-year-old who killed himself in March. Jean Lorrah A21711F@msumusik.mursuky.edu ***May 21-26, reach me at Jean1@Juno.com.*** http://www.geocities.com/Athens/3439 http://www.geocities.com/Athens/4165 ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 12:47:38 EDT Reply-To: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List Sender: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List From: MLCVamp Subject: Re: OFFTOPIC: Reading and TV Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit And what advertisers want: Several years ago I experienced a pointed demonstration of JL's precept that TV isn't created to tell stories but to sell products. I was asked to watch a cable TV broadcast of a proposed sitcom series pilot and later answer a phone survey about it. I was delighted with the opportunity. I took extensive notes on the story and what I did / didn't like about it. Well, the phone interviewer asked me one question, very general (something like "would you watch the show" -- yes or no), about the content of the comedy. All the other questions were about the commercials. To almost every one, I answered along the lines of, "I don't remember, I was reading during the commercial." What a disillusioning experience. I always read during TV commercials, and during parts of the show as well if it's not too demanding. I also might balance the checkbook or write letters. Actually, unless it's something like submissions for my fanzine, I feel I'm not "entitled" to reading time unless I'm doing something else simultaneously (eating, watching TV, riding the stationary bike, waiting at the dentist, etc.). For an hour or so before falling asleep I'm "allowed" to read (without doing another activity at the same time) IF I've finished all my other self- assigned work. No recreational reading by itself before dinner -- kind of like not drinking before 5 p.m. Probably an aftereffect of having a stepmother who heavily disapproved of my "keeping my nose in a book all the time" unless it was schoolwork. LL&P, Margaret ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 19:57:55 -0700 Reply-To: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List Sender: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List From: J-Man Subject: Re: TECH: Free Statistics for your Website MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Webmasters, > Check out http://www.freestats.com . In return for putting their > banner on your page, they will constantly update your statistics, such as > how many hits your page gets, what countries people are visiting from, what > hosts they are using, etc. Could be useful information Thank you very much, Jean. This IS useful info. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 17:15:31 -0500 Reply-To: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List Sender: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List From: rickeshay Subject: Re: Gossip: Forests in Australia MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit JL wrote >>Rick: I haven't commented further on B5 because I missed episodes 97 through 100 and haven't caught them in rerun yet. They aren't running any new ones at 10pm are they? Are there more? Will there be? Any news you've picked up -- please post it to the List. << On May 27 at 8 PM EDT a new episode of B5 will air on TNT. 3 more new episodes will air on the following 3 Wednesdays. Then all 17 episodes of Season 5 will be rerun in order('Day of the Dead' will be shown in the original order and not the order it was shown this spring) and the final 5 will be shown in the fall.(this is to allow those new viewers who aren't watching Season 5 until they have seen Seasons 1-4 to catch up and also to magnify the viewership for the final episodes) The second B5 movie "Third Space" will air in July, the third "River of Souls" in November, and the fourth "A Call to Arms" in January. The follow-up series Crusade will then start the first week of January. JL you saw #101 'The Corps is Mother, The Corps is Father'? If so what did you think of it? And did you catch 'Into the Fire' when it was repeated?(still wanting to know if PEACE or VICTORY carried the day(VBG)) Rick ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 07:36:49 -0500 Reply-To: jltraut@cpcug.org Sender: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Janet Trautvetter Subject: Re: OFFTOPIC: Reading and TV MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT On 9 May 98 at 12:47, MLCVamp wrote: > And what advertisers want: Several years ago I experienced a pointed > demonstration of JL's precept that TV isn't created to tell stories but to > sell products. I was asked to watch a cable TV broadcast of a proposed sitcom > series pilot and later answer a phone survey about it. I was delighted with > the opportunity. I took extensive notes on the story and what I did / didn't > like about it. My mother and I had a similar experience a number of years ago, although it was at a hotel conference room, watching monitors, and then filling out questionaires, which were centered 95% on the commercials, not the shows themselves. I now suspect that the "pilots" we watched were single-shot deals written and produced specifically for this "survey" of the advertised products. It was extremely disappointing. I generally hit the "MUTE" button on the remote during commercials, although I've been known to turn the sound back on if the commercial looks unusual or interesting. There are actually more commercials per hour of TV now than there were a few years ago; during the MERLIN broadcast the other week, my father actually timed the commercial breaks - they were all exactly 5 minutes long, during which time we could get up and get refills on soda and munchies, or have a conversation about the show, before turning the sound back on for the real show. -Janet jltraut@cpcug.org ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 09:34:23 -0400 Reply-To: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List Sender: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List From: John Cowan Organization: Lojban Peripheral Subject: Re: OFFTOPIC: Reading and TV MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Janet Trautvetter wrote: > There are actually more commercials per > hour of TV now than there were a few years ago; Indeed. ST:TOS episodes are 56 minutes long (allowing for 4 commercial breaks, 1 minute each), whereas ST:TNG episodes are 45:45 in length, allowing for (I believe) 6 breaks. I don't know the length of current "one-hour" dramas. -- John Cowan http://www.ccil.org/~cowan cowan@ccil.org You tollerday donsk? N. You tolkatiff scowegian? Nn. You spigotty anglease? Nnn. You phonio saxo? Nnnn. Clear all so! 'Tis a Jute.... (Finnegans Wake 16.5) ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 15:49:25 EDT Reply-To: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List Sender: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List From: KLitman323 Subject: WORK: Imprintation Comments: To: klumperk@boystown.org Comments: cc: mrobbins@netins.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Kandace wrote me regarding a story she is working on privately, and Jacqueline thought it should be passed to the listserve....... Another question and perhaps I should really be asking JL this? She indicated that for this to truly work I will need to start by not having allowed that 'pesky imprintation' on Aisha. Why? I'm simply curious as to why that would be the split point for the AU? Jacqueline writes: I think "Channel's Exemption" is on Tecton Central. The Reason - you can tell her - is two-male-animals-in-confrontation-over- possession-of-female - this is very primal stuff, and add all the complications, and there's no way these two can have a highly abstract, intelletual argument that can go to a resolution. As reasonable as they both are, this is a "last straw" (which is why I put it there - to make the entire Modern Tecton thing diverge sharply from the Distect concepts.) Aisha is the origin of the split between Tecton and Distect. Send that to Marge, to. Post it to the List please -- I think it might start a thread. Amazes me that everyone hasn't seen it all along. Submitted by Karen Litman ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 15:09:22 -0500 Reply-To: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List Sender: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List From: Kandace Klumper Subject: Re: WORK: Imprintation Comments: To: KLitman323@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Okay, that explains that one. I'm not used to jealous males. I always fig= ured, since it was my understanding that Aisha went to Klyd willingly, that= she and Hugh had discussed it, that in fact she had made Hugh understand w= hy this needed to be done. Guess that's some of my Farris arrogance coming= into play. >>Reply to your message of 5/11/98 2:54 PM >> >>Kandace wrote me regarding a story she is working on privately, and >>Jacqueline >>thought it should be passed to the listserve....... >>Another question and perhaps I should really be asking JL this? She >>indicated >>that for this to truly work I will need to start by not having allowed t= hat >>'pesky imprintation' on Aisha. Why? I'm simply curious as to why that >>would >>be the split point for the AU? >> =20 >>Jacqueline writes: I think "Channel's Exemption" is on Tecton Central. >>The Reason - you can tell her - is >>two-male-animals-in-confrontation-over- >>possession-of-female - this is very primal stuff, and add all the >>complications, and there's no way these two can have a highly abstract, >>intelletual argument that can go to a resolution. As reasonable as they >>both >>are, this is a "last straw" (which is why I put it there - to make the >>entire >>Modern Tecton thing diverge sharply from the Distect concepts.) Aisha >>is the >>origin of the split between Tecton and Distect. Send that to Marge, >>to. >>Post it to the List please -- I think it might start a thread. Amazes = me >>that everyone hasn't seen it all along.=20 >> >>Submitted by Karen Litman=20 >>End of message Kandace Klumper Father Flanagan's Boys' Home klumperk@btnt1.boystown.org ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 13:43:42 -0700 Reply-To: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List Sender: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List From: Sylvia Engdahl Subject: Re: OFFTOPIC: Reading and TV In-Reply-To: <199805110625.CAA21384@cpcug.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 8 May 1998, Janet Trautvetter wrote: > On 9 May 98 at 12:47, MLCVamp wrote: > > > And what advertisers want: Several years ago I experienced a pointed > > demonstration of JL's precept that TV isn't created to tell stories but to > > sell products. I was asked to watch a cable TV broadcast of a proposed sitcom > > series pilot and later answer a phone survey about it. I was delighted with > > the opportunity. I took extensive notes on the story and what I did / didn't > > like about it. > > My mother and I had a similar experience a number of years ago, > although it was at a hotel conference room, watching monitors, and > then filling out questionaires, which were centered 95% on the > commercials, not the shows themselves. I now suspect that the > "pilots" we watched were single-shot deals written and produced > specifically for this "survey" of the advertised products. It was > extremely disappointing. Certainly such surveys deal with the commercials -- they are conducted by market research firms and are paid for by specific advertisers. The networks don't have anything to do with it; the market researchers are trying to determine where, and how, it's most effective to advertise. I trust you were paid for your time--normally participants are paid. I once was paid $35 for watching an episode of Family Ties that proved to be a survey on the effectiveness of cat litter commercials. There is usually a restriction on not participating in a market research survey oftener than once in 6 months so that they will get a cross section of the public rather than just people trying to earn money. Market research is a big thing on the Internet now. In case you don't know, there are sites where you can sign up to participate. If you just answer online questionnaires you only get entered in a drawing for payment, but if you're selected for a chat session (I never have been) they pay about $40. These surveys, of course, deal entirely with the products themselves or the effectiveness of their websites rather than with TV shows. Sylvia ________________________________________________________________________ Sylvia Engdahl - Eugene, Oregon Visit my Website! sengdahl@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~sengdahl ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 21:49:35 -0500 Reply-To: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List Sender: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List From: Jean Lorrah Subject: Re: WORK: Imprintation Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Jacqueline writes: I think "Channel's Exemption" is on Tecton Central. >The Reason - you can tell her - is two-male-animals-in-confrontation-over- >possession-of-female - this is very primal stuff, and add all the >complications, and there's no way these two can have a highly abstract, >intelletual argument that can go to a resolution. As reasonable as they both >are, this is a "last straw" (which is why I put it there - to make the entire >Modern Tecton thing diverge sharply from the Distect concepts.) Aisha is the >origin of the split between Tecton and Distect. Send that to Marge, to. >Post it to the List please -- I think it might start a thread. Amazes me >that everyone hasn't seen it all along. Everyone hasn't seen it all along because it doesn't make sense presented raw like that. We no _not_ know the whole story, and that is why we can't see this, Jacqueline. There is no clue in ZD about the intensity of that story. All anyone knows who has read the books is a few bare-bones facts, told, not shown. Then there are the things Jacqueline has said, and written here and there in fanzines. No, having read "Channel's Exemption" does _not_ make even the most careful reader aware that Klyd becomes imprinted on Aisha at the end of HoZ. There has never been an explanation satisfactory to me as to _why_ Hugh screws up that part of the transfer so badly--he isn't post till AFTER the transfer, so Aisha should not be on his mind at all once she is safe. His entire focus ought to be on saving Klyd's life. As for Aisha's own feelings--she is a keychain flashlight against the sun compared to Hugh--Klyd should not be affected in the least by anything she might feel. Nor does she know Klyd well anough at that point to have any romantic interest in him. And THAT is why nobody has been able to see this supposedly obvious situation. I can easily write a story to imprint Klyd on Aisha, but it will happen later, and involve Aisha's getting to know and idol-worship Klyd, Hugh's becoming jealous, precipitating Aisha's tipping over into desire for the Sectuib once Hugh has planted the idea in her mind. Now this can happen exactly as Hugh and Klyd are also discovering that their philosophies are not complementary, as Hugh assumed, but mutually exclusive. Then you get the two-male-animals-fighting-over-a-female thing, and it all escalates until they inflict wounds on one another that may scar over after a long, long time (mostly because Muryin needs both of them), but never disappear. But Jacqueline, it is _not_ in the books as they stand. If you want readers to know this story, you have to write it. Or I will. Jean Jean Lorrah A21711F@msumusik.mursuky.edu ***May 21-26, reach me at Jean1@Juno.com.*** http://www.geocities.com/Athens/3439 http://www.geocities.com/Athens/4165 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 21:49:40 -0500 Reply-To: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List Sender: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List From: Jean Lorrah Subject: The Tectpon circa 1998 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Goverment Computer News (http://www.gcn.com) for March 16 reported that there is a problem with a contract the Social Security Administration has with Unisys Corporation. The contract is a multi-year contract for 100 MHZ Pentium computers. However, Intel no longer makes 100MHZ chips. So Unisys offered to install 233 MHZ computers AT THE SAME PRICE. The Social Security Administration refused. An SSA official reported to Congress that "100 MHZ computers meet our current needs." Jean Lorrah A21711F@msumusik.mursuky.edu ***May 21-26, reach me at Jean1@Juno.com.*** http://www.geocities.com/Athens/3439 http://www.geocities.com/Athens/4165 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 22:17:27 -0500 Reply-To: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List Sender: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List From: Jean Lorrah Subject: The Tecton circa 1998, Part II Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Latest Accused Hacker: U.S. Navy by Kristi Essick, IDG News Service May 11, 1998 The U.S. Navy has allegedly attempted to break into secure areas of a Web site sponsored by a U.K. marine-mammal preservation charity, according to officials at the organization. The Whale and Dolphin Conservation Society--which operates an online shopping site that generates money for the welfare of the animals--said it was alerted to the attempted break-in last week by its site-hosting company, Merchant Technology. "We were working late one night, and a command line request came in wanting to access unauthorized areas of the site," said Andy Fisher, marketing manager for Merchant. "We were amazed to find out it was the Pentagon." Merchant built and manages the secure site for the conservation society and routinely keeps an eye on visitors. If users attempt to gain access to unauthorized areas, the company is alerted to the source of the incoming request. At 9:45 p.m. GMT on April 28, Fisher said, workers at Merchant were shocked to see an incoming attempt to breach security by a user identified as donhqns1.hq.navy.mil. Merchant got in touch with WDCS immediately and was informed that the Navy had contacted the charity a few weeks earlier. The Navy was interested in obtaining a report the group is working on that details the efforts of Russian animal experts to train dolphins in the Black Sea for military tasks, such as finding and attaching probes to submarines, Fisher said. A WDCS spokesperson said that there is nothing secret about the Russian government's activities in this area, but that the document does contain information about the export of the trained dolphins to foreign countries. The group declined to give the Navy a copy of the report only because it was not complete at the time, she said. Once it is made final, the report will be published and the Navy can then examine it, she said. The WDCS said that it is confused about why the Navy would attempt to break into its Web site. "I would think whoever it was within the U.S. Navy would have better things to do rather than try and hack into our computers," Chris Stroud, the organization's director of campaigns, said in the statement. "If they were seeking reports on the Black Sea, we shall be freely publishing these in the near future anyway." The WDCS previously has commented unfavorably on Navy activities, such as its low-frequency sonar trials off Hawaii and on ship collisions with endangered whales, the group said. Merchant says it is "100-percent sure" the hacking attempt originated from the Navy. WDCS has notified the U.S. Embassy in London and the relevant U.K. authorities, the organization said. "We hope that the U.S. authorities have some rational explanation for this incident," Stroud said. "The Navy has not yet received a formal complaint on the issue," said a Navy official, who declined to be named. "Until the Navy receives a formal complaint with details, there's not much we can do to proceed further." Jean Lorrah A21711F@msumusik.mursuky.edu ***May 21-26, reach me at Jean1@Juno.com.*** http://www.geocities.com/Athens/3439 http://www.geocities.com/Athens/4165 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 23:06:19 -0700 Reply-To: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List Sender: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List From: Tony Zbaraschuk Subject: Re: WORK: Imprintation In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19980512024935.006cbbdc@msumusik.mursuky.edu> from "Jean Lorrah" at May 11, 98 09:49:35 pm Content-Type: text > >Jacqueline writes: I think "Channel's Exemption" is on Tecton Central. > >The Reason - you can tell her - is two-male-animals-in-confrontation-over- > >possession-of-female - this is very primal stuff, and add all the > >complications, and there's no way these two can have a highly abstract, > >intelletual argument that can go to a resolution. As reasonable as they both > >are, this is a "last straw" (which is why I put it there - to make the entire > >Modern Tecton thing diverge sharply from the Distect concepts.) Aisha is the > >origin of the split between Tecton and Distect. Send that to Marge, to. > >Post it to the List please -- I think it might start a thread. Amazes me > >that everyone hasn't seen it all along. > Everyone hasn't seen it all along because it doesn't make sense presented > raw like that. We no _not_ know the whole story, and that is why we can't > see this, Jacqueline. What was that line in ZD where Risa tears into Klyd for getting annoyed with people for not knowing what he'd never told them? Tony Z ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 07:34:52 -0500 Reply-To: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List Sender: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List From: Kandace Klumper Subject: WORK: Imprintation MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jean's reply ---> Everyone hasn't seen it all along because it doesn't make sense presented raw like that. We no _not_ know the whole story, and that is why we can't see this, Jacqueline. There is no clue in ZD about the intensity of that story. All anyone knows who has read the books is a few bare-bones facts, told, not shown. Then there are the things Jacqueline has said, and written here and there in fanzines. No, having read "Channel's Exemption" does _not_ make even the most careful reader aware that Klyd becomes imprinted on Aisha at the end of HoZ. There has never been an explanation satisfactory to me as to _why_ Hugh screws up that part of the transfer so badly--he isn't post till AFTER the transfer, so Aisha should not be on his mind at all once she is safe. His entire focus ought to be on saving Klyd's life. As for Aisha's own feelings--she is a keychain flashlight against the sun compared to Hugh--Klyd should not be affected in the least by anything she might feel. Nor does she know Kly= d well anough at that point to have any romantic interest in him. And THAT is why nobody has been able to see this supposedly obvious situation. I can easily write a story to imprint Klyd on Aisha, but it wil= l happen later, and involve Aisha's getting to know and idol-worship Klyd, Hugh's becoming jealous, precipitating Aisha's tipping over into desire for the Sectuib once Hugh has planted the idea in her mind. Now this can happen exactly as Hugh and Klyd are also discovering that thei= r philosophies are not complementary, as Hugh assumed, but mutually exclusive= . Then you get the two-male-animals-fighting-over-a-female thing, and it all escalates until they inflict wounds on one another that may scar over after a long, long time (mostly because Muryin needs both of them), but never disappear. But Jacqueline, it is _not_ in the books as they stand. If you want reader= s to know this story, you have to write it. Or I will. Jean << And here lies the sequel I, and several others, have been hoping and/or cla= moring for since first reading HoZ. We wanna _see_ _what_ _happened_!=20 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 08:20:49 -0700 Reply-To: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List Sender: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List From: Robyn King-Nitschke Subject: Re: WORK: Imprintation > And here lies the sequel I, and several others, have been hoping > and/or clamoring for since first reading HoZ. We wanna _see_ > _what_ _happened_! Mark me down as seconding this! I would pay major bucks for a sequel to HoZ, just because I've been *waiting* for it for so long! --Robyn ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 14:40:32 -0700 Reply-To: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List Sender: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List From: Donald Jaramillo Subject: Re: Hello from Gossamer. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit It is good to hear that she seems to be doing better! I hope she has a speedy recovery! Let Go, Let Gen! Don -----Original Message----- From: Zoe To: SIMEGEN-L@SIU.EDU Date: Thursday, May 07, 1998 12:55 AM Subject: Hello from Gossamer. (Delurking) G’Day List folk. I just received a snail mail from Gossamer. And she has added a letter that she has asked my to send to the list. Also I have sent her print copies of the survey and intro letters JL posted. Here follows Gossamer’s letter. If anyone want to post a letter to gossamer, they can send it via my personal eddress. I can print it out and post it to her. From here, on Brisbane, it only takes two working days for mail to get to Melbourne. I think she would still be thrilled with getting snail mail from OS (over seas) though. This would help if you wanted her to get it more quickly. Zoe Farris. Dearest most wonderful S~G people, You have obviously all discovered how to bottle selyn, for what was in the packages I’ve received in the last few days has made me feel so much better it must have been Transfer. ………Oh, hang on, I’m Gen…..So much for metaphors. I shall attempt to restrain myself to facts. I’m sending this via Zoe because she’s the only Aussie S~G person whose address I could find.(Jenn, I’ve lost yours-please mail me.) So, with a bit of luck she’ll be able to type it in for me. Thanks Zoe, your wonderful. ((It’s an honour and a privilege to be able to help. Zoe)) As for that mail, I have had much, Much, MUch, MUCH Joy in reading through the four books I bought off one of the list members, whose name eludes me (sorry), the one Zoe sent me so I could read one of the books I was missing, and a bunch of zines & a copy of Dreamspy from JL! An embarrassment of riches. : ) The only complicated bit was when I was crying over one of the sad bits and had to explain what S~G was to one of the nurses! Does anyone have a few short sentences that do the trick? I suspect it’s about as hard as a few short sentences to explain CSF/FMS. Speaking of which, this hospital is most magnificent. : ) : ) The staff understand and believe what’s wrong with me; I’m now getting extra tests that have shown up some trouble problems nobody had known I had; & I feel it’s actually doing some good. I’m the youngest patient here by years and years, so at least half the staff have adopted me. The food is even good-truly a miracle. Doctor’s last guess is I’ll be here for another month at least… Basically I’ d only be out before then if it seemed to stop helping me. And much to my joy and amazement it is helping now, so I’m very happy to stay awhile. I’ll stop now, this is nearly 3 pages of handwriting and I don’t want to cause Zoe to get RSI! Miss you lots, Gossamer. P.S. Forgot- I do have access to a laptop when I get around to bribing somebody to pick it up for me. So, I - My- be email only online sometime in the next two weeks. Or maybe not, depends if I have spare energy after physio, OT, workshop, physio, phych, relaxation…You get the idea. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 16:33:46 -0700 Reply-To: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List Sender: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List From: Donald Jaramillo Subject: BACK: S~G Porn? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't know if anyone has brought this up before but for some reason, I was thinking about what would qualify as porn in the Sime~Gen world, especially during the tecton. Like Jacqueline has said, the Need cycle has overshadowed the power of sexuality to hold and drive people. As such, the equivalent of porn wouldn't be trading in sexual fantasy but most likely in forbidden Sime~Gen interactions. I could see a major market for stories about Simes who end up having transfer with a real GEN! On the darker side, I could also see an underground market developing for kill fantasies. Any thoughts? Don Rathor: Looking for the fully endowed! ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 20:06:22 -0500 Reply-To: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List Sender: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List From: Jean Lorrah Subject: Re: BACK: S~G Porn? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 04:33 PM 5/12/98 -0700, Don wrote: >I don't know if anyone has brought this up before but for some reason, I was >thinking about what would qualify as porn in the Sime~Gen world, especially >during the tecton. Like Jacqueline has said, the Need cycle has >overshadowed the power of sexuality to hold and drive people. As such, the >equivalent of porn wouldn't be trading in sexual fantasy but most likely in >forbidden Sime~Gen interactions. > >I could see a major market for stories about Simes who end up having >transfer with a real GEN! > >On the darker side, I could also see an underground market developing for >kill fantasies. Widespread literacy among Simes occurs with Unity--the big problem is the underground horror market to out-T Gens, with Oliver Teague's _Genfarm!_ only the best-known example. There's a lovely bit of Sime~Gen porn in CZ12 on the WWW, you know--"The Old Killroom." And then there are Zhag and Tonyo's performances.... Jean Jean Lorrah A21711F@msumusik.mursuky.edu ***May 21-26, reach me at Jean1@Juno.com.*** http://www.geocities.com/Athens/3439 http://www.geocities.com/Athens/4165 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 18:46:40 -0700 Reply-To: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List Sender: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List From: Tony Zbaraschuk Subject: Re: BACK: S~G Porn? In-Reply-To: <000601bd7dfe$68ebf020$5a6856ce@djaramillo.intarsiacorp.com> from "Donald Jaramillo" at May 12, 98 04:33:46 pm Content-Type: text Don Jaramillo wrote: > I don't know if anyone has brought this up before but for some reason, I was > thinking about what would qualify as porn in the Sime~Gen world, especially > during the tecton. Like Jacqueline has said, the Need cycle has > overshadowed the power of sexuality to hold and drive people. As such, the > equivalent of porn wouldn't be trading in sexual fantasy but most likely in > forbidden Sime~Gen interactions. I'm not _quite_ so sure about this. I can a society that's considerably less uptight about sex (between the Gen need for More Kids To Guard Against Simes -- only you gotta be "good" so your kids will be Gen not Sime) and the basic Sime mentality that Only Need Matters So Everything Else Is OK. But I see sex as still being a fairly powerful force -- it's just that need can overshadow it, like food does today. But the easy availability of cookbooks hasn't spoiled the market for erotica. > I could see a major market for stories about Simes who end up having > transfer with a real GEN! > > On the darker side, I could also see an underground market developing for > kill fantasies. I'm sure both of those happen. On the other hand, what about the Gen side of things? What are _their_ transfer stories? Jean's already mentioned the "Genfarm Horror Story" genre, but what about their positive ones? There might be, for instance, the "Madagascr Novel", where a Gen gets a Sime of their own, possibly redolent with descriptions of lush Oriental breezes and long sea voyages, and containing lots of remarkably silly hormonal-driven Simes. Anyone have any others? Tony Z ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 16:03:32 +1000 Reply-To: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List Sender: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List From: "Jenn V." Subject: Re: BACK: S~G Porn? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Donald Jaramillo wrote: > > I don't know if anyone has brought this up before but for some reason, I was > thinking about what would qualify as porn in the Sime~Gen world, especially > during the tecton. Like Jacqueline has said, the Need cycle has > overshadowed the power of sexuality to hold and drive people. As such, the > equivalent of porn wouldn't be trading in sexual fantasy but most likely in > forbidden Sime~Gen interactions. See 'The Old Killroom', in CZ 12. (http://www.simegen.com/CZ/) It's one example of what *I* think would be .. well, soft porn, anyway. Err. Semi-soft. Or something. Jenn V. -- It's amazing where you can go with a completely false premise Jenn Vesperman jenn@brisnet.org.au http://www.brisnet.org.au/~jenn ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 11:14:00 -0500 Reply-To: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List Sender: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List From: Jean Lorrah Subject: OFFTOPIC: Empire Books Orders Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Now that school is out, I am slowly, slowly working through everything that piled up through this hectic semester. This morning I packed up all the Empire Books orders that had been here for more than a month, and they are going out in today's mail. The rest will follow in the next couple of weeks--but at least now the worst of the guilt is assuaged! So if you've been waiting forever for something from Empire Books, it is now on its way. Jean Jean Lorrah A21711F@msumusik.mursuky.edu ***May 21-26, reach me at Jean1@Juno.com.*** http://www.geocities.com/Athens/3439 http://www.geocities.com/Athens/4165 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 13:18:16 EDT Reply-To: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List Sender: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List From: KLitman323 Subject: Re: BACK: S~G Porn? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit OK, people....now write some of these. Maybe we can use them on the "Companion in Zeor" website if they are acceptable to web standards. Karen Litman ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 10:27:10 -0700 Reply-To: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List Sender: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List From: Donald Jaramillo Subject: Re: BACK: S~G Porn? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----Original Message----- From: Tony Zbaraschuk To: SIMEGEN-L@SIU.EDU Date: Tuesday, May 12, 1998 7:04 PM Subject: Re: BACK: S~G Porn? >Don Jaramillo wrote: >> I don't know if anyone has brought this up before but for some reason, I was >> thinking about what would qualify as porn in the Sime~Gen world, especially >> during the tecton. Like Jacqueline has said, the Need cycle has >> overshadowed the power of sexuality to hold and drive people. As such, the >> equivalent of porn wouldn't be trading in sexual fantasy but most likely in >> forbidden Sime~Gen interactions. > >I'm not _quite_ so sure about this. I can a society that's considerably >less uptight about sex (between the Gen need for More Kids To Guard >Against Simes -- only you gotta be "good" so your kids will be Gen >not Sime) and the basic Sime mentality that Only Need Matters So >Everything Else Is OK. But I see sex as still being a fairly powerful >force -- it's just that need can overshadow it, like food does today. >But the easy availability of cookbooks hasn't spoiled the market for >erotica. That is one thing that is hard for us as ancients to fully fathom in some regards. The Need cycle for a Sime may be consdidered a bonding of the need for food and drive for sex. It acts on both centers. Killbliss or egobliss gives a peak experience that is rarely touched in eating fine food or even in most persons' sexual experience. At it's best, it would also add a touch of the religious experience. Are we talking about endowed functions and transfers affecting/engizing/activating ALL of the Chakras? > >> I could see a major market for stories about Simes who end up having >> transfer with a real GEN! >> >> On the darker side, I could also see an underground market developing for >> kill fantasies. > >I'm sure both of those happen. On the other hand, what about the Gen >side of things? What are _their_ transfer stories? Jean's already >mentioned the "Genfarm Horror Story" genre, but what about their >positive ones? > >There might be, for instance, the "Madagascr Novel", where a Gen >gets a Sime of their own, possibly redolent with descriptions >of lush Oriental breezes and long sea voyages, and containing lots >of remarkably silly hormonal-driven Simes. I can't see a big market for that among the General Gen population through most of their history. For much of the Tecton history, the Gen experience is not mentioned at all. The vast majority of Gens do not have even a concept of Transfer, only knowning donation. Would donors be able to understand the experience of Donors or Companions? I think that it would be in the Tecton's best interest to keep the experience of the Gen subdued. The Gen has been set up as the one in control of the situation as far as consent and such. If the general Gen population were to suddenly get more curious about Transfer, it would be seen as a threat to stability--Distect ideas. Simes, on the other hand are given transfer in the Tecton, albeit largely second-hand. They would be more able to perceive that this isn't the true peak experience--they would be more able to imagine what it is the Channels are getting that they are not. Let Go, Let Gen! Don ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 10:33:34 -0700 Reply-To: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List Sender: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List From: Donald Jaramillo Subject: Re: BACK: S~G Porn? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----Original Message----- From: Jenn V. To: SIMEGEN-L@SIU.EDU Date: Tuesday, May 12, 1998 11:36 PM Subject: Re: BACK: S~G Porn? >Donald Jaramillo wrote: >> >> I don't know if anyone has brought this up before but for some reason, I was >> thinking about what would qualify as porn in the Sime~Gen world, especially >> during the tecton. Like Jacqueline has said, the Need cycle has >> overshadowed the power of sexuality to hold and drive people. As such, the >> equivalent of porn wouldn't be trading in sexual fantasy but most likely in >> forbidden Sime~Gen interactions. > >See 'The Old Killroom', in CZ 12. (http://www.simegen.com/CZ/) > >It's one example of what *I* think would be .. well, soft porn, anyway. >Err. Semi-soft. Or something. I just read it. Cute! Short as it is, it does open all sorts of interesting possibilities about the fantasies post-Unity Simes and Gens may have. I notice that you perposefully left out gender, relying totally on larity. Good touch! Let Go! Let Gen! Don ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 10:39:47 -0700 Reply-To: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List Sender: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List From: Robert McCann Subject: S/G porn My two cents on this interesting topic: One of the remarkable things about sexual porn for us ancients is the direct connection that exists (well, for me, anyway!) between the printed word and the physiological/psychological components of sexual arousal. Give me the right printed stimulus, and there seems to be a direct connection between the words and my, well, you know. Question: would reading a story involving killlust, gen pain, and killbliss set off the equivalent set of physiological reactions in a Sime in need? If so, we have a wealth of interesting implications, with renSimes reading the stuff and going into killmode, others reading the stuff to heighten the actual killbliss experience when they take a gen from the pens, etc. Once in-and-out territory start cooperating, what do you think out-T Gen reaction would be to this kind of literature? Rob McCann ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 04:42:02 +1000 Reply-To: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List Sender: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List From: "Jenn V." Subject: Re: BACK: S~G Porn? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Donald Jaramillo wrote: > >See 'The Old Killroom', in CZ 12. (http://www.simegen.com/CZ/) > > > >It's one example of what *I* think would be .. well, soft porn, anyway. > >Err. Semi-soft. Or something. > > I just read it. Cute! Short as it is, it does open all sorts of > interesting possibilities about the fantasies post-Unity Simes and Gens may > have. I notice that you perposefully left out gender, relying totally on > larity. Good touch! Gender AND identity. I wanted them to be totally neuter, charicatures seen in shadow. I'm glad the effort is appreciated. :) Jenn V. -- It's amazing where you can go with a completely false premise Jenn Vesperman jenn@brisnet.org.au http://www.brisnet.org.au/~jenn ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 12:07:11 -0700 Reply-To: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List Sender: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List From: Controller Veraik ambrov Liorie Subject: Re: BACK: S~G Porn? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From Controller Veraik ambrov Liorie: Sime~Gen Porn? What ARE you talking about? [looks at his copies of both PlaySime and PlayGen. Picking up the PlaySime, opens it to the Centerfold and sighs then looks up] The ultimate fantasy for all, including renSimes and perhaps even the donor, is a transfer which ends in intimacy. Imagine the transfer grip softening to caresses, tentacles sliding up the arms to cup a cheek or the crown of head, feeling the softness of hair and the scent of excitement... or tentacles transferring their touch first to stomach and then to lower regions. These are the pictures (drawings) and the stories in PlaySime. As for PlayGen, it is even more graphic and will not be verbalized. No one knows who publishes these magazines. The true publisher is well hidden. Only the distributor is known and that company isn't talking. Yes, there is Porn as there are WhoreHouses. This is one of the traits that lasted after the mutation occurred. But who admits to having these magazines or doing anything to anybody. As Controller, I can only hope to minimize these fantasies being carried out by matching transfer partners as closely as possible but there is always the illegal market and people (both Sime and Gen) who are willing to carry out any fantasy for a price. It is sad but true. Yours truly, Veraik ambrov Liorie Controller Bender Cove Sime Center ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 23:34:44 -0700 Reply-To: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List Sender: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List From: JKL Subject: Memorial service Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings, On Monday, my medical school class held a memorial service for the people who donated their bodies to the medical school so that we could learn. The service was a release at least as much for the students as for the families. A part of the service was a reading of the names of the people who died. I felt this very deeply [I don't have the right words to express it properly]. But, also, when I heard the introduction to that part of the service, I thought of the Memorial to the One Billion; and the names of the martyrs (info from the Frevven novel, "The Only Good Sime"). In a cemetery near the school, there is a tombstone, upon which is inscribed "They Gave in Death for Those in Life." This sounds very close to "Out of Death was I born, unto Zeor, forever." The ideas behind them seem similar; a remembrance for giving. Would there be some sort of reading of martyrs? JoAnn ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 06:56:34 EDT Reply-To: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List Sender: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List From: JanStClair Subject: Survey-why I like Sime/Gen Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hello, one and all! It's been over a month since this survey was posted, and here I am at last. It's been a particularly hectic several weeks, and I'm not even quite caught up reading s/g list digests, but here I am on a sleepless early am with time to respond. I first discovered S/G at a con in NY, Creation? Townsley? It was my first con, 1977 or 78, and both Jean and Jacqueline were there signing and autographing their new book, FIRST CHANNEL. I was at that con with my friend who had introduced me to the wonder of zines, some of which had had intriguing stories by JL. We split the cost of a book. I ended up loving it, she didn't, so I got custody and sought out the related zines and previously published books. First Channel remains my favorite, though among fan-published work I like MaryLou's Den and Rital stories and Karen Litman's Frevven stories best. My life: I'm 46, married, no kids, but I love kids so I've been working since 1991 as a live-out nanny in the Cambridge/Boston area. I'm crafty, but practical--what I make is durable, useful, machine wash/dryable. Mostly I make stuffed animals and dolls, including fannish ones like Vulcan babydolls that salute, and Ewoks that really do look like Ewoks, unlike the smarmy Kenner ones. Ahem. To continue: Since nannying doesn't pay well and my husband, a talented but largely unrecognized composer, works halftime as a tech writer to help pay expenses, we have to pinch pennies. I sometimes can attend one con per year, MediaWest, if I've raised the funds via craft sales. I wish I could visit you all at Darkover or other cons you discuss on the list, but maybe sometime you'll be at something local. The computer I'm using is my husband's composing tool, and I get access when he's asleep or otherwise occupied. S/G is the only list to which I subscribe. I enjoy reading the lists...it's like instant round-robin on many topics. i tried archiving certain discussion topics, like s/g geography, newly stated canon by Jean or JL on various characters and eras, etc., but lost all the material via computer glitch or ineptitude...I really have so little time to spend at the keyboard that I haven't learned much about what I can or should do. (Now I do know enough to back up on disk) I do hope someone is saving and cataloging the canonical material that's posted on this list. REASONS I LIKE SIME~GEN 1) The Characters are People who: A) I wish I were like B) I'm glad I'm not like C) I could learn something from D) I could help make their lives better E) who seem familiar and into whose affairs I seem to fit xxxF)All the above 2)The S~G Universe seems to be . . . xxxA) a world that is more real to me than the 6 O'Clock News B) a world where my own story could have a good ending. C) a world with problems I know how to solve 3)What S~G and the fandom have added to my life: xA)Personal friendships (whom I've never seen, and may hve spoken to once) B)The courage to tackle my own problems xxxC)An appreciation of human potential D) A vision of a career I could launch and the determination to do it xxxE) A broader view of what is heroism, and the worth of my own perseverance 5)This is what I tell my newest friends about why they should come visit my favorite Universe: I mention that the mutation is as great or greater a polerization as male/female and that it's so engaging that I can neither put the book down once begun nor think of anything else for a week or so once finished. I see things from the perspective of the S/G universe--it becomes real to me. 6) These are the SF/F Universes I like best in order of how much I like them (novels, tv shows, (tied for first for certain ones) stories, movies -- all jumbled together but listed in order of how strongly each has grabbed me.) {Insert S~G in its proper place in the order of preference (and I really don't expect you to put S~G first!) }(Unfair! I like S/G better than most of the stuff on the list, with the exception of some notable books (Like L'Engle's Wrinkle, etc), TV series (currently Babylon...it's not only good, there's one every night, unlike s/g books), some zine stories, and alltime favorite movies...tho' I don't bother with most movies, some I won't miss. 7) I think Sime~Gen would have its greatest appeal to fans of -- (fill in the blank). List as many fandoms as you feel might be appropriate. I'm running out of time...I think generically, fans who attend fan-run cons, ie fans who are there not to get near stars or for glitz & collectables, but those who mob the Dealer's room for zines, who discuss relationships and background details passionately, who need their characters to matter and their universes to feel real. Of non-fans, people who read in order to feel, hope, care, and look at themselves with an eye toward self-improvement. I wish I had more time and brain cells to devote to this, and to the list itself. Take care, all. Thanks for being there. Pax. Janice ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 23:52:49 EDT Reply-To: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List Sender: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List From: KLitman323 Subject: Re: Vote for U.S. stamps Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I'm posting this for long time S~G supporter Nadine Leeds. Maybe you'd like to participate.....Karen Litman The U.S. Post Office is asking for votes to choose the subject for their stamps. One of the choices is STAR TREK !!!!! Check out their web site http://stampvote.msn.com or go to your local P.O. and pick up a form. Live Long and Prosper Nadine >> ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 11:24:31 -0500 Reply-To: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List Sender: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List From: Jacqueline Lichtenberg Subject: NEWS:What we've been up to lately -- [ From: Jacqueline Lichtenberg * EMC.Ver #3.0 ] -- Folks: I've spent the odd bits of time I've had this week re-doing the LINKS on the S~G Welcommittee site (yes, we don't have a new webmaster for the Welcommittee site and it needs one to keep it current.) I found that we hadn't updated the NEWS sections for months (since February I think). So I wrote a quick update off the top of my head (and no doubt missed some major developments) -- and used fictitious dates because I don't really remember exactly when various things happened. Here's what I came up with for the whatsnew page. August 1998 - the second Annual Room Party for Sime~Gen fans to be held at a World Science Fiction Convention is planned. June-July 1998 - Householding Chanel presents the archives of the Writer's Workshop posts that runs on the Virtual Selyn Listserve. May 1998 - Householding Chanel presents Householding Chanel Inquirer Online - the premier Q&A fanzine of Sime~Gen fandom. The early issues are now posted on the Web, and more questions and answers by Jean Lorrah and Jacqueline Lichtenberg are being posted from the Listserv - Vitual Selyn. May 1998 - major overhaul of our Search Engine to improve its ability to troll our Geocities websites. April 1998 - More of Kerry Lindemann-Schaefer's stories about her ongoing Sime character, Frevven, the last of the Disjunct Channels to work in the Tecton, are posted to Rimon's Library in the Ambrov Zeor Archives. April 1998 - Celebration of the 25th Anniversary of Companion In Zeor, one of the first print fanzines devoted to Sime~Gen, and still edited by one of its founders, Karen Litman. The 13th issue, (#2 on the Web) - Companion In Zeor Online presents its first story in the Anniversary issue with more in production. We're getting contributions by Australian fans. And a story in development is set in Australia. April 1998 - The Bender Cove Roleplayers post their 200th consecutive episode in this IRC based role playing game. March 1998 - The first issue of our email newsletter Sime~Gen Perspectives went out to subscribers, and was posted to the web. To subscribe go to http ://www.tertius.net.au/simegen/signup/ or email sgnews-request@tertius.net.au with 'subscribe' as the text. (without the quote marks) and remember to suppress your sig-file. March 1998 - Householding Chanel opened the 21st website on the Virtual Tecton Webring with several reprints from the print fanzines of stories by Marge Robbins about Householding Chanel. February 1998 - a Sime~Gen story set in Mexico is posted to the web. Pagar el Precio by Kier Neustaedter February 1998 - Established our own URL - http://www.simegen.com January 1998 - Check for the year's awards at the Hall of Fame awards shelf December 1997/January 1998 - Complete overhaul of the Virtual Tecton structure. December 1997 - Several new Tecton tech tools, including an upgraded chat room. Tech tools are listed under projects. Additions, corrections and commentary welcome. Oh, this is a text-only emailer, so the LINKS embeded in the above text don't show. Live Long and Prosper, Jacqueline Lichtenberg THE BIBLICAL TAROT:"Never Cross A Palm With Silver" is now in Barnes&Noble and at amazon.com. The second book in the series has been turned in. Connect to the Sime~Gen Webring and find out how to get the next Sime~Gen novel! On The Zeor Visitor's at http://www.j51.com/~zeor click on Directory. I reserve the right to repost any comment that comes to me that is NOT MARKED DNQ or in some way obviously personal. My SF Review Column is posted monthly at http://www.lightworks. com/MonthlyAspectarian Join the Sime~Gen Listserve, surf the Virtual Tecton starting at Tecton Central http://www.best.com/~shadorat/sg/sgfr.html Sign up for the free Email S~G Newsletter (a few pages, twice a month max)at http://www.tertius.net.au/simegen/signup/ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 11:24:42 -0500 Reply-To: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List Sender: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List From: Jacqueline Lichtenberg Subject: Alternate Universe S~G fanfic Comments: cc: Katie -- [ From: Jacqueline Lichtenberg * EMC.Ver #3.0 ] -- Folks: We've recently begun discussing an AU/S~G project that one of our writers has in mind to do, and I couldn't remember an example from the fanzines though I knew there were many. Karen Litman pointed out that all the fanzine stories were technically AU (Alternate Universe) unless otherwise noted. Which is true in a way, except that many of the authors go to incredible effort to make their stories conform to published-universe conditions. In fooling around on the websites, I found one of my favorite Klyd Farris stories written by Katie Filipowicz-Steinhoff -- Dreamtower. Here's the afterword from that: Note: The alternate universe Kitty of "Dream Tower" underwent a transformation and became the mainline universe Kitty (Dumas) ambrov Rior of Zelerod's Doom, mother of Hugh Valleroy's son, and ancestor of Ilyana Dumas. Can anyone fi