========================================================================= Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 11:52:28 -0500 Reply-To: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List Sender: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List From: Karen Litman Subject: Trek Stars on Sci-fi Channel Site & TV Sunday Comments: cc: kerry@cconnect.net, wlong72@hotmail.com This from TV Guide Week of11/1/97 A Galaxy of Trek Stars Leonard Nimoy makes broadcast history November 2 when he and an all-Star Trek cast perform a radio style dramatization of H.G. Wells's "First Men in the Moon," which will be seen live on both the Sci-Fi Channel and its Internet Website, the Dominion (www.scifi.com). Joining Nimoy are John de Lancie (Q Star Trek: The Next Generation's popular bad guy), Dwight Schultz (ST: The Next Generation), Ethan Phillips (ST: Voyager), and a Trek legend whose identity Nimoy vows not to betray. "We will be performing this piece --- which Wells wrote just as Marconi was doing his radio experiments --- for maybe 100 people in a little theater at the Museum of Television & Radio in Beverly Hills," says Nimoy. "Yet you will be able to log on to your computer from anywhere in the world and see and hear the entire production at the same time we are acting it. Amazing! Communication has come so far. And so has sci-fi." To give you the time frame, it's listed for 8 P.M. Eastern Standard Time (U.S.) for one hour length. I'm tossing a tape in my only working VCR ------ Karen Litman ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 13:13:26 -0500 Reply-To: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List Sender: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List From: Karen Litman Subject: Re: TECH: Free E-mail Chantal and Jacqueline both wrote of problems between AOL and Juno. I am having no such problem. I can easily forward mail to and from my Juno and AOL accounts. I did not set anything or ask for "preferences" so I don't see where this difficulty is.---Karen Litman ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 14:58:02 -0600 Reply-To: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List Sender: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List From: Jean Lorrah Subject: Re: TECH: Free E-mail Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:13 PM 11/1/97 -0500, you wrote: >Chantal and Jacqueline both wrote of problems between AOL and Juno. I am >having no such problem. I can easily forward mail to and from my Juno and >AOL accounts. I did not set anything or ask for "preferences" so I don't see >where this difficulty is.---Karen Litman It can be a see-saw: the techs hear from members bombarded by spam from fake Juno addresses, and turn off access from Juno. Then they hear from all their members with friends with Juno addresses, and turn access back on. Jean Jean Lorrah A21711F@msumusik.mursuky.edu (alternate Jean1@Juno.com) http://www.geocities.com/Athens/3439/ http://www.geocities.com/Athens/4165/ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 2 Nov 1996 07:20:30 +1100 Reply-To: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List Sender: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List From: Jenn Vesperman Subject: Progress... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A friend of mine on the MUSHes said (of Sime~Gen) "I read about them all in the Internet Mag at work yesterday and thought of you." Well, looks like we're getting there - we're in an article in an Internet mag. Jenn V. (You know it's no good - drain selyn from a Chinese Gen and you're in need again in a day.) (No offense meant, of course) ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 18:54:02 -0600 Reply-To: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List Sender: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List From: Jean Lorrah Subject: Re: Progress... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 07:20 AM 11/2/96 +1100, you wrote: >A friend of mine on the MUSHes said (of Sime~Gen) > > "I read about them all in the Internet Mag at work yesterday and thought > of >you." WHAT Internet Mag??? If it's something new, the search engines won't be able to pick it up from "Sime Gen" for months, and if it's temporary, maybe never. Please find out, Jenn. Or are we talking about a print magazine _about_ the Internet here? That would be even better--and if so we desperately need a copy to go with the movie script! Jean Jean Lorrah A21711F@msumusik.mursuky.edu (alternate Jean1@Juno.com) http://www.geocities.com/Athens/3439/ http://www.geocities.com/Athens/4165/ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 20:30:55 -0500 Reply-To: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List Sender: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List From: Lisa W Subject: Re: Trek Stars on Sci-fi Channel Site & TV Sunday In-Reply-To: <971101115203_698082153@emout11.mail.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Thank you, Karen, for telling us about this. I fully intendf to listen to it! Should be neat!!!!! I'm also glad someone is taping it just in case I miss it because then perhaps I can still hear it. Hugs all around! Lisa ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 20:32:58 -0500 Reply-To: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List Sender: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List From: Kaas Baichtal Subject: Re: Progress...? In a message dated 97-11-01 16:17:37 EST, you write: << (You know it's no good - drain selyn from a Chinese Gen and you're in need again in a day.) (No offense meant, of course) >> Ok, so what exactly does this mean? --Kaas ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 12:36:58 +1000 Reply-To: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List Sender: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List From: "Peter R. Jones" Subject: Re: Progress...? In-Reply-To: <971101203248_1467639975@emout02.mail.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hiya, ><< (You know it's no good - drain selyn from a Chinese Gen and you're in need > again in a day.) > > (No offense meant, of course) >> > > >Ok, so what exactly does this mean? It's actually referring to an old, long-running "joke" which says that if you eat Chinese food, five minutes later you're hungry again. As for where this idea originally came from, I'd be interested to know myself. I for one take at least ten minutes after Chinese before getting hungry... :-) Pete. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Come and visit Pete's Place @ http://www.powerup.com.au/%7Epjones or just drop me a line @ email: pjones@powerup.com.au ----------------------------------------------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 2 Nov 1996 13:19:03 +1100 Reply-To: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List Sender: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List From: Jenn Vesperman Subject: Weak Joke (was Re: Progress...?) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kaas Baichtal wrote: > > In a message dated 97-11-01 16:17:37 EST, you write: > > << (You know it's no good - drain selyn from a Chinese Gen and you're in need > again in a day.) > > (No offense meant, of course) >> > > Ok, so what exactly does this mean? > > --Kaas Um. Perhaps it's a cultural thing. There was a joke doing the rounds here years ago about 'you eat chinese food and half an hour later, you're hungry again'. I just .. extrapolated. My error. Jenn V. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 22:16:46 -0500 Reply-To: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List Sender: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List From: Karen Litman Subject: Re: Weak Joke (was Re: Progress...?) But Jenn --- I got the ojoke. Then again, love Chinese food. Karen Litman ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 2 Nov 1996 13:25:02 +1100 Reply-To: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List Sender: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List From: Jenn Vesperman Subject: Re: Progress... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jean Lorrah wrote: > > At 07:20 AM 11/2/96 +1100, you wrote: > >A friend of mine on the MUSHes said (of Sime~Gen) > > > > "I read about them all in the Internet Mag at work yesterday and > thought > > of > >you." > > WHAT Internet Mag??? If it's something new, the search engines won't be > able to pick it up from "Sime Gen" for months, and if it's temporary, maybe > never. Please find out, Jenn. > > Or are we talking about a print magazine _about_ the Internet here? That > would be even better--and if so we desperately need a copy to go with the > movie script! Jean She has it on her desk at work, so I'd say it's a print mag. She'll get me the info on Monday. Jenn V. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 22:37:34 -0500 Reply-To: cindy@stoner.co.uk Sender: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List From: Cynthia Stoner Subject: Re: Weak Joke (was Re: Progress...?) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I got it too. :) Cheers Cindy Stoner Karen Litman wrote: > > But Jenn --- I got the ojoke. Then again, love Chinese food. Karen Litman ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 00:18:40 -0500 Reply-To: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List Sender: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List From: "Hannah M.G. Shapero" Subject: Gourmet Selyn Comments: To: Cynthia Stoner In-Reply-To: <345BF57E.1AC9A52@stoner.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > But Jenn --- I got the ojoke. Then again, love Chinese food. Karen Litman Chinese food: Because it has so many vegetables in it, and lots of rice, it has been considered "light" food that doesn't have much substance in it so you digest it quickly and are hungry again sooner than if you had had something heavier. That is the dietary common assumption though it does not always hold true. Therefore, if you take transfer from a German Gen, then you will not go into Need for 6 weeks or more - because it is heavy and "sticks to your ribs." Given this "culinary" theme, is there such a thing as "gourmet selyn" - after the Killing phase is stopped, that is - are there "gourmets" among the Simes who, rather than establish the exalted "transfer dependencies," try to find as many different transfer partners as they can, due to their desire for interesting and unusual "flavors" of Selyn? Tastefully, Hannah M.G.Shapero ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 01:18:59 -0500 Reply-To: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List Sender: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List From: Chantal Whittington Subject: Italian Gens MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On 1-NOV-1997 16:17:41.6 SIMEGEN-L said to AERDEN SI>(You know it's no good - drain selyn from a Chinese Gen and you're in SI>need again in a day.) SI>(No offense meant, of course) Jenn--ROFL! Oh, god, that's too funny! Ah well, if you drain an Italian Gen, they'll always ask if you want grated Parmesan cheese or ground black papper with that. Chantal (Gaudiano) Whittington "Never eat more than you can lift." -- Miss Piggy ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 2 Nov 1996 17:01:28 +1100 Reply-To: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List Sender: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List From: Jenn Vesperman Subject: Re: Italian Gens MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chantal Whittington wrote: > > On 1-NOV-1997 16:17:41.6 SIMEGEN-L said to AERDEN > SI>(You know it's no good - drain selyn from a Chinese Gen and you're in > SI>need again in a day.) > SI>(No offense meant, of course) > > Jenn--ROFL! Oh, god, that's too funny! > > Ah well, if you drain an Italian Gen, they'll always ask if you want grated > Parmesan cheese or ground black papper with that. I assume then, that if you approach an Australian Gen .. they'll say 'That's not a tentacle. THIS is a tentacle' .. or they'll start singing about ronaplined lightning .. or they'll 'just smile and give you a vegemite sandwich' .. or you'll find that Australian for a pack of freeband raiders is 'the odd berseker'. Jenn V. (Makes me wonder if Fosters is Australian for porstan?) ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 03:45:40 -0500 Reply-To: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List Sender: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List From: Kaas Baichtal Subject: Re: Gourmet Selyn In a message dated 97-11-02 00:19:55 EST, you write: << Given this "culinary" theme, is there such a thing as "gourmet selyn" - after the Killing phase is stopped, that is - are there "gourmets" among the Simes who, rather than establish the exalted "transfer dependencies," try to find as many different transfer partners as they can, due to their desire for interesting and unusual "flavors" of Selyn? >> Not sure about Simes, but I believe the desire to try as many different transfer partners as possible was one of the traits of the NymphoGen, wasn't it? (Ddraig's creation) --Kaas ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 08:31:29 -0600 Reply-To: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List Sender: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List From: Jean Lorrah Subject: Gourmet Selyn Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hannah writes, >Given this "culinary" theme, is there such a thing as "gourmet selyn" - >after the Killing phase is stopped, that is - are there "gourmets" among >the Simes who, rather than establish the exalted "transfer dependencies," >try to find as many different transfer partners as they can, due to their >desire for interesting and unusual "flavors" of Selyn? > It's not the selyn itself--it's the skill of the channel or Donor at producing killbliss (just the pleasure of transfer for nonjuncts). Unfortunately, after Unity there won't be any choice for renSimes--they will have to appear for their appointments, and take whatever channel they is available. I can't see it ever becoming legal to "shop" for a preferred transfer under the Tecton as we have seen it in operation in North America. But we may see a different system develop elsewhere, at least for a time. We know, however, that by Digen's time there was a World Controller. Still, we don't know what was meant by that. There have been two World Wars, and in neither one did the whole world participate. So at the moment we know only about North America and parts of Europe as far as the Tecton goes. I can see a tv show similar to ER, about that time span of 10-20 years after Unity, until the last juncts die off. There would not be enough trained Third Order channels, and those who were trained or half-trained might frequently not recognize a potential crisis for which they should call in a higher-order channel. So a high Second would probably have to be diverted from actually channeling in order to study the incoming clients to see what has changed from last month--whether anyone is going into crisis and needs special treatment. But that's the least of problems. Juncts would try to kill Donors. Juncts would arrive drunk, or high on various drugs, trying to soften an unsatisfactory experience. The Secret Pens are only for true crisis victims. Some juncts would do anything to try to fake a crisis and get an extra kill. After a couple of times, a kill might well be spoiled for a thoughtful Sime by the knowledge that it was a one-time privilege that would not be repeated for at least six months. And then more and more Simes, as the years passed and they came to accept Gens as people, would get into that mind-body dichotomy (mind abhorring the kill, body demanding it) that will ultimately end in suicide abort. It occurs to me that there would not only be Secret Pens, but also a black market in killable Gens. In intensely busy centers, how much time would Tecton personnel have to track down Simes who didn't show up for their appointments? At first, communications would be poor enough that people could get away with, "Oh, I was over in Nivet and took transfer at a center there." Would law officers have to add tracking people who didn't show up to the other increasing problems as disjuction crisis created more and more unstable Simes out of people who used to be reliable citizens? Obviously, there could not be secret Genfarms--that's an operation too big to hide. So black market kills would be _very_ expensive, and most victims would probably consist of...get ready to be sick...newly established children of Simes, kidnapped off the streets by junct channels who would pick up that first trace of selyn production before the parents did, and whisk them off to be emotionally tortured for a few days and then sold to the highest bidder. Ugh. The cracked underbelly is really exposing itself, isn't it? Jean Jean Lorrah A21711F@msumusik.mursuky.edu (alternate Jean1@Juno.com) http://www.geocities.com/Athens/3439/ http://www.geocities.com/Athens/4165/ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 08:43:58 -0600 Reply-To: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List Sender: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List From: Jean Lorrah Subject: Re: Small World Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 05:01 PM 11/2/96 +1100, Jenn wrote: > >I assume then, that if you approach an Australian Gen > >.. they'll say 'That's not a tentacle. THIS is a tentacle' > >.. or they'll start singing about ronaplined lightning > >.. or they'll 'just smile and give you a vegemite sandwich' > >.. or you'll find that Australian for a pack of freeband raiders is 'the odd >berseker'. > >Jenn V. >(Makes me wonder if Fosters is Australian for porstan?) ROTFL! See--it really is a small world today! I get all of these Oz-specific jokes, and I have never set foot down under. Jenn, you have just given away that you share what I suspect is a very common fantasy--but one that I have never or heard seen alluded to before: ronaplin as lubrication. Tsk tsk tsk! Such a perverted imagination! Jean Jean Lorrah A21711F@msumusik.mursuky.edu (alternate Jean1@Juno.com) http://www.geocities.com/Athens/3439/ http://www.geocities.com/Athens/4165/ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Nov 1996 00:58:30 +1100 Reply-To: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List Sender: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List From: Jenn Vesperman Subject: Re: Small World MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jean Lorrah wrote: > > At 05:01 PM 11/2/96 +1100, Jenn wrote: > > > >I assume then, that if you approach an Australian Gen > > > >.. they'll say 'That's not a tentacle. THIS is a tentacle' > > > >.. or they'll start singing about ronaplined lightning > > > >.. or they'll 'just smile and give you a vegemite sandwich' > > > >.. or you'll find that Australian for a pack of freeband raiders is 'the odd > >berseker'. > > > >Jenn V. > >(Makes me wonder if Fosters is Australian for porstan?) > > ROTFL! > > See--it really is a small world today! I get all of these Oz-specific > jokes, and I have never set foot down under. That's because I deliberately pulled them all from film and television that either was popular in the US or was made in the US, Jean. Sorry to disappoint you. > Jenn, you have just given away that you share what I suspect is a very > common fantasy--but one that I have never or heard seen alluded to before: > ronaplin as lubrication. Tsk tsk tsk! Such a perverted imagination! Jean You want a perverted imagination, let me send you a story I finished writing a couple of hours ago. Jenn V. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 13:18:14 EDT Reply-To: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List Sender: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List From: Deb Wunder Subject: Re: Weak Joke (was Re: Progress...?) I got the joke too, and it wasn't offensive, so no need to apologize. Shade and Sweet Water, Deb (olias) ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 13:23:00 EDT Reply-To: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List Sender: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List From: Deb Wunder Subject: Re: Italian Gens Heya Jenn -- You noted: SI>I assume then, that if you approach an Australian Gen SI>.. they'll say 'That's not a tentacle. THIS is a tentacle' SI>.. or they'll start singing about ronaplined lightning SI>.. or they'll 'just smile and give you a vegemite sandwich' SI>.. or you'll find that Australian for a pack of freeband raiders is 'the odd SI>berseker'. I really liked that last one, and will cheerfully (with your permission) pass it on. Shade and Sweet Water, olias (deb wunder) ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 14:17:36 -0500 Reply-To: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List Sender: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List From: Jacqueline Lichtenberg Subject: JL's schedule -- [ From: Jacqueline Lichtenberg * EMC.Ver #3.0 ] -- Folks: I made a mistake. I told a couple of people working behind the scenes on our various projects that I'd be doing several things Monday and Tuesday, Novem 3&4. At the time, I neglected to mention that Monday I have to run around to appointments, and Tuesday is Election Day and I have to work the Election. That's a 16 hour day, minimum, and Wednesday may be a lost cause because of that. Don't expect to hear from me much if at all until Thursday, November 6th. Oh, and I hope you'll all go and VOTE. I don't care how you vote -- just do it. We'll never get this world straightened out if we leave it to "them" to do all the decision making. Live Long and Prosper, Jacqueline Lichtenberg Pre-Order my summer '97 nonfic book, THE BIBLICAL TAROT:"Never Cross A Palm With Silver" from http://www.amazon.com or fans can get a bigger discount ordering direct from the publisher, http://www.toadhallinc.com !!!!!!!Find out how to get the next Sime~Gen novel!!!!!!!! On The Zeor Visitor's Center, click Directory, and see how to sign up for the new novel or read five Sime~Gen fanzine novels now posted on The Zeor Site at http://www.j51.com/~zeor I reserve the right to repost any comment that comes to me that is NOT MARKED DNQ or in some way obviously personal. My SF Review Column is posted monthly at http://www.lightworks. com/MonthlyAspectarian Join the Sime~Gen Listserve or surf the Virtual Tecton starting at Tecton Central http://www.best.com/~shadorat/sg/sgfr.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 15:36:48 -0500 Reply-To: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List Sender: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List From: Lisa W Subject: Re: Italian Gens In-Reply-To: <327AE3B8.3851E04C@brisnet.org.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII And and and! If you come across a Jewish mother Gen, she'll say "Come, sit down! Eat eat eat!" Or she might ask if you'd like a matzo ball with that. Or how about a nice hot Pistrami sandwich? And maybe even some chopped liver? Hugs all around! Lisa ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 15:48:25 -0500 Reply-To: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List Sender: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List From: Margaret Carter Subject: Re: Progress...? (Chinese Gens) << actually referring to an old, long-running "joke" which says that if you eat Chinese food, five minutes later you're hungry again. As for where this idea originally came from, I'd be interested to know myself. I for one take at least ten minutes after Chinese before getting hungry... :-) I have never understood this joke and consider it sheer libel . Chinese food is heavy on the carbohydrates -- rice and noodles -- so should be filling. And it has been my experience with Chinese restaurants that they serve so much food it's hard to finish without getting unbearably stuffed. When we order Chinese from the local delivery outlet, each "single" serving is always enough for 2 meals (supper and next day's lunch for the price of one). (Maybe this is a canard based on the American prejudice in favor of meat-heavy meals? Alas, many Chinese-American restaurants cater to this prejudice and don't serve nearly enough vegetables and rice for my taste. Even the pretty-good Japanese restaurant in downtown Annapolis is stingy with the rice -- from experience with the Japanese restaurants in Hawaii, we know there is SUPPOSED to be a "bottomless" communal rice bowl on the table, not dinky little indiv. bowls with about an ice-cream scoop serving in them.) If size and physique have nothing to do with the amount of selyn carried by a Gen, neither should ethnicity . LL&P, Margaret ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 18:14:08 EST Reply-To: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List Sender: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List From: KLitman323 Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Subject: Re: Progress...? (Chinese Gens) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In my area there are wonderful Chinese Buffet spreads on a steam table which are literally "bottomless" with a varied selection of veggie dishes, meat/combination dishes, fried and white rices, two or three kinds of soup, and various other dishes, and desserts all for a $5.00 charge. You can take as much or as little as you like of any of the selections. Some of the buffets are set for lunch only, others for the evening meal. Sometimes the evening meal is the same price as the lunch, or perhaps $2.00 higher. When something runs low, refills on the steam table magically appear from the kitchen and although the selection is basically the same from week to week (or possibly daily) what you consume and the amount you choose is yours. ----- Karen Litman << Margaret wrote: (Maybe this is a canard based on the American prejudice in favor of meat-heavy meals? Alas, many Chinese-American restaurants cater to this prejudice and don't serve nearly enough vegetables and rice for my taste. Even the pretty-good Japanese restaurant in downtown Annapolis is stingy with the rice -- from experience with the Japanese restaurants in Hawaii, we know there is SUPPOSED to be a "bottomless" communal rice bowl on the table, not dinky little indiv. bowls with about an ice-cream scoop serving in them.) >> ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 18:33:43 -0500 Reply-To: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List Sender: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List From: Jacqueline Lichtenberg Subject: Re: Those Of My Blood Comments: To: David Burgess Comments: cc: Ronnie Bob , Karen Litman , Tori J Warden , "lwarner@Capital.Net" -- [ From: Jacqueline Lichtenberg * EMC.Ver #3.0 ] -- David: I'm copying this to several active fans in Sime~Gen Online and to the Sime~Gen List, Virtual Selyn. I have no more copies of BLOOD, but someone on the List might. There was the sequel, DREAMPSY, and I have copies of the hardcover for $22. 25 (includes postage) -- order from Endorsed Books POB 290, Monsey, N.Y>. 10952. There are 2 of my vampire short stories (in another universe) posted on the Rimon Farris Memorial Library website for free download. They were published in Galaxy Magazine and posted online for over a year. Many Sime~Gen fans are also vampire-fans. And I have reviewed a number of really terrific vampire novels in my column which is also posted online on the S~G site called Rathorite Retreat and on the magazine publisher's own website. See my sig file for URLs, travel the S~G webring to find all this material. Everyone out there -- tell David how to get all these things! JL > > Dear Jacqueline, > About five years ago I had the create fortune of coming across your > novel, Those Of My Blood in my local library. I would like to say that it was > a FANTASTIC read and I couldn't put it down until I read the whole thing. > (Getting very little sleep that night in the process. *smile*) I would now > really like to add the book to my collection but I've found that the book is no > longer in print. I was wondering if you know if there is going to be a reprint > anytime soon??? Any information you could give me would be greatly > appreciated. > > > > David Burgess > dburgess@wincom.net > Live Long and Prosper, Jacqueline Lichtenberg Pre-Order my summer '97 nonfic book, THE BIBLICAL TAROT:"Never Cross A Palm With Silver" from http://www.amazon.com or fans can get a bigger discount ordering direct from the publisher, http://www.toadhallinc.com !!!!!!!Find out how to get the next Sime~Gen novel!!!!!!!! On The Zeor Visitor's Center, click Directory, and see how to sign up for the new novel or read five Sime~Gen fanzine novels now posted on The Zeor Site at http://www.j51.com/~zeor I reserve the right to repost any comment that comes to me that is NOT MARKED DNQ or in some way obviously personal. My SF Review Column is posted monthly at http://www.lightworks. com/MonthlyAspectarian Join the Sime~Gen Listserve or surf the Virtual Tecton starting at Tecton Central http://www.best.com/~shadorat/sg/sgfr.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 17:12:13 -0800 Reply-To: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List Sender: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List From: Tony Zbaraschuk Subject: Re: Gourmet Selyn In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19971102143129.006ae794@msumusik.mursuky.edu> from "Jean Lorrah" at Nov 2, 97 08:31:29 am Content-Type: text Jean wrote: > It occurs to me that there would not only be Secret Pens, but also a black > market in killable Gens. In intensely busy centers, how much time would > Tecton personnel have to track down Simes who didn't show up for their > appointments? At first, communications would be poor enough that people > could get away with, "Oh, I was over in Nivet and took transfer at a center > there." Would law officers have to add tracking people who didn't show up > to the other increasing problems as disjuction crisis created more and more > unstable Simes out of people who used to be reliable citizens? There will always be loopholes. (If nothing else, personnel clerks are usually eminently bribable in many large organizations.) There will always be cracks in the system -- the Distect slips through them, people make arrangements, organized crime-- hmm.. The Distect as Mafia in places? Or semi-junct Mafia (at least until semi-juncts become rare enough that they're _noticeable_.) > Obviously, there could not be secret Genfarms--that's an operation too big > to hide. So black market kills would be _very_ expensive, and most victims > would probably consist of...get ready to be sick...newly established > children of Simes, kidnapped off the streets by junct channels who would > pick up that first trace of selyn production before the parents did, and > whisk them off to be emotionally tortured for a few days and then sold to > the highest bidder. Don't forget the Genrunners. They're the ones with the knowledge and organization to provide Gens to the Sime Territories, and I don't think _they'll_ go away with the Unity treaties. Or the historical parallel of the African slave trade -- there will, in all likelihood, be people willing to capture their fellows and sell them to a horrible fate -- because they don't recognize them as their fellows. Tony Z ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 16:21:48 +1100 Reply-To: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List Sender: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List From: Michael Chinn Organization: QAMH Subject: Re: Australian Simes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jenn Vesperman wrote: > Chantal Whittington wrote: > > > > On 1-NOV-1997 16:17:41.6 SIMEGEN-L said to AERDEN > > SI>(You know it's no good - drain selyn from a Chinese Gen and > you're in > > SI>need again in a day.) > > SI>(No offense meant, of course) > > > > Jenn--ROFL! Oh, god, that's too funny! > > > > Ah well, if you drain an Italian Gen, they'll always ask if you want > grated > > Parmesan cheese or ground black papper with that. > > I assume then, that if you approach an Australian Gen > > .. they'll say 'That's not a tentacle. THIS is a tentacle' > > .. or they'll start singing about ronaplined lightning > > .. or they'll 'just smile and give you a vegemite sandwich' > > .. or you'll find that Australian for a pack of freeband raiders is > 'the odd > berseker'. > > Jenn V. > (Makes me wonder if Fosters is Australian for porstan?) Does that mean that Australian junct simes would take their "kills" home as a six pack? Zoe. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 10:09:58 -0600 Reply-To: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List Sender: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List From: Kandace Klumper Subject: (Chinese Gens) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Margaret Carter said >> << actually referring to an old, long-running "joke" which says that if you eat Chinese food, five minutes later you're hungry again. As for wher= e this idea originally came from, I'd be interested to know myself. I for one take at least ten minutes after Chinese before getting hungry... :-) I have never understood this joke and consider it sheer libel . Chines= e food is heavy on the carbohydrates -- rice and noodles -- so should be filling. And it has been my experience with Chinese restaurants that they serve so much food it's hard to finish without getting unbearably stuffed. When we order Chinese from the local delivery outlet, each "single" servin= g is always enough for 2 meals (supper and next day's lunch for the price of one). (Maybe this is a canard based on the American prejudice in favor of meat-heavy meals? Alas, many Chinese-American restaurants cater to this prejudice and don't serve nearly enough vegetables and rice for my taste. Even the pretty-good Japanese restaurant in downtown Annapolis is stingy with the rice -- from experience with the Japanese restaurants in Hawaii, w= e know there is SUPPOSED to be a "bottomless" communal rice bowl on the table= , not dinky little indiv. bowls with about an ice-cream scoop serving in them= .) If size and physique have nothing to do with the amount of selyn carried by= a Gen, neither should ethnicity .< All right, I just have to comment on this subject. Because Chinese food is= so loaded with carbs, it's the carbohydrate sensitive people (of which I am on= e) who get hungry a short time after eating rice (a starch, one of the most easily= digestable foods). I love Chinese food but I try to avoid eating too much rice becaus= e I will be hungry one to two hours later no matter how 'stuffed' I was when I finished= . It's also the carbohydrate sensitive people that crave and crave and crave = the carbs while not being satisfied by them, because the body can't process them the = way it should. I am guilty of this and am currently trying to break myself out of= this vicious cycle. I feel better and am able to lose weight better if I manage= to limit=20 my carb intake. I don't care what the health fit people say about carbohyd= rates=20 being the 'energy' food, if you're carbohydrate sensitive this is the worst= thing you can do to your body. Kandy=20 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 09:43:34 -0800 Reply-To: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List Sender: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List From: "Jaramillo, Don" Subject: Re: Maturing Souls MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit >---------- >From: Jeffrey Parker[SMTP:jparker@FSG.SITEL.NET] >Sent: Thursday, October 30, 1997 10:17 PM >To: SIMEGEN-L@SIU.EDU >Subject: Maturing Souls > >As with any system, there comes a time when the system plateaus. In >this discussion, let us suppose that the development of souls has slowed >as the souls that could advance did (to nirvana) and the ones that did >not or would not learn stagnated. Life became too predictable and too >safe with technological growth that the pain of life was limited and >growth became nil. > >Into this situation, let us bring a compassionate god or force (or elder >soul). This being, seeing the situation, spontaneously creates the Sime >Gen mutation to A) force pain and uncertainty into life once more and >B) teach about pain, need, and victimization to those who stopped >learning. A very interesting point, Jeffrey. Such a soul would definitely be seen as being like a Coyote Spirit, a bit of a trickster, but that which, in causing dischord, promotes growth. One might also look to the various Promethian or Light Bringer myths as well. In most of the modern literature, one usually thinks of the Transcentental or otherwise evolved souls as walking the Earth in order to lift up and bring peace to those who are lost. In this case, the Soul would be there to correct a dead end, rather than Teach the next Step in the "conventional" sense. If one looks at the Eden story without the concept of Original Sin, the serpent was that force which brought about an end to a stagnant system. I myself look upon the Eden Myth as telling the story of Humankind becoming self-aware, suddenly aware of the future, one's own mortality and such. A shock, but birth processes are usually traumatic. >After all, when a system becomes stable, an outside influence or >catalyst is almost always required to once again start a reaction. A sort of big bang influence. Fiat Sime! Don > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 13:11:07 -0600 Reply-To: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List Sender: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List From: Sandra Gray Subject: Re: HELP! (RPG) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Perhaps you should approach it by first giving a fairly technical explanation of what is happening, followed by an example or two in a "fictional" form which can illustrate the more emotional qualities involved. Or you could write an "adventure" module in which Sime~Gen encounters of various types are featured. Another alternative would be to use character "quotes" where a NPC character is telling another unseen character what an experience was like for him/her. A final suggestion is to assign levels of "ecstasy" or other "emotion" by dice rolls (or maybe by player level) as an addition to each technical explanation. Hope this is helpful. Sandra sandragray@rica.net ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 18:47:02 -0500 Reply-To: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List Sender: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List From: Karen Litman Subject: CONS: Darkover 1997 I'm writing this for friends who are offline. Mike and Belinda Tartaglio usually go to Darkover each year. They have misplaced the information which they received. Could some of you e-mail me privately (I'd rather have too much information than none) on the particulars of this year's convention so that I may print it to paper and see that they receive it. Thanks, Karen Litman (KLitman323@aol.com) ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 12:44:45 -0500 Reply-To: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List Sender: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List From: Larry P Ulrey Subject: Re: (Chinese Gens) Kandace Klumper wrote: >It's also the carbohydrate sensitive people that crave and crave and crave >the carbs while not being satisfied by them, because the body can't process them >the way it should. This got me to wondering. Could there be a similar condition in some Simes where they can't utilize selyn the way they should, with the result that they go into Need more frequently than others do (even if they don't augment between transfers)? Larry Ulrey ulrey@juno.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 16:34:17 -0600 Reply-To: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List Sender: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List From: Jean Lorrah Subject: Re: (Chinese Gens) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:44 PM 11/4/97 -0500, Larry wrote: >Kandace Klumper wrote: > >>It's also the carbohydrate sensitive people that crave and crave and >crave>>the carbs while not being satisfied by them, because the body can't >process them>>the way it should. > > This got me to wondering. Could there be a similar condition in >some Simes where they can't utilize selyn the way they should, with the >result that they go into Need more frequently than others do (even if >they don't augment between transfers)? Yes. Eventually these Simes are identified as channels. Jean Jean Lorrah A21711F@msumusik.mursuky.edu (alternate Jean1@Juno.com) http://www.geocities.com/Athens/3439/ http://www.geocities.com/Athens/4165/ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 06:10:40 -0500 Reply-To: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List Sender: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List From: Cheryl Wolverton Subject: The Borg vs. Microsoft The Borg vs. Microsoft: A Fight to the Bitter Litigational End Picard: "Mr. LaForge, have you had any success with your attempts at finding a weakness in the Borg? And Mr. Data, have you been able to access their command pathways?" Geordi: "Yes, Captain. In fact, we found the answer by searching through our archives on late twentieth-century computing technology." Geordi presses a key, and a logo appears on the computer screen. Riker looks puzzled "What the hell is 'Microsoft'?" Data turns to answer- "Allow me to explain. We will send this program, for some reason called 'Windows', through the Borg command pathways. Once inside their root command unit, it will begin consuming system resources at an unstoppable rate." Picard: "But the Borg have the ability to adapt. Won't they alter their processing systems to increase their storage capacity?" Data: "Yes, Captain. But when 'Windows' detects this, it creates a new version of itself known as an 'upgrade'. The use of resources increases exponentially with each iteration. The Borg will not be able to adapt quickly enough. Eventually all of their processing ability will be taken over and none will be available for their normal operational functions." Picard: "Excellent work. This is even better than that 'unsolvable geometric shape' idea." .. . . 15 Minutes Later . . . Data: "Captain, We have successfully installed the 'Windows' in the command unit and as expected it immediately consumed 85% of all resources. We however have not received any confirmation of the expected 'upgrade'." Geordi: "Our scanners have picked up an increase in Borg storage and CPU capacity to compensate, but we still have no indication of an 'upgrade' to compensate for their increase." Picard: "Data, scan the history banks again and determine if there is something we have missed." Data: "Sir, I believe there is a reason for the failure in the 'upgrade'. Apparently the Borg have circumvented that part of the plan by not sending in their registration cards." Riker: "Captain we have no choice. Requesting permission to begin emergency escape sequence 3F . . ." Geordi, excited- "Wait, Captain I just detected their CPU capacity has suddenly dropped to 0%!" Picard: "Data, what does your scanner show?" Data: "Apparently the Borg have found the internal 'Windows' module named 'Solitaire' and it has used up all the CPU capacity." Picard: "Lets wait and see how long this 'solitaire' can reduce their functionality." . . . Two Hours Pass . . . Riker: "Geordi what's the status on the Borg?" Geordi: "As expected the Borg are attempting to re-engineer to compensate for increased CPU and storage demands, but each time they successfully increase resources, I have set up our closest deep space monitor beacon to transmit more 'windows' modules from something called the 'Microsoft fun-pack'. Picard: "How much time will that buy us ?" Data: "Current Borg solution rates allow me to predicate an interest time span of 6 more hours." Geordi: "Captain, another vessel has entered our sector." Picard: "Identify." Data: "It appears to have markings very similar to the 'Microsoft' logo." Over the speakers: "THIS IS ADMIRAL BILL GATES OF THE MICROSOFT FLAGSHIP MONOPOLY. WE HAVE POSITIVE CONFIRMATION OF UNREGISTERED SOFTWARE INTHIS SECTOR. SURRENDER ALL ASSETS AND WE CAN AVOID ANY TROUBLE. YOU HAVE 10 SECONDS." Data: "The alien ship has just opened its forward hatches and released thousands of humanoid shaped objects." Picard: "Magnify forward viewer on the alien craft." Riker: "Good God, Captain! Those are humans floating straight toward the Borg ship with no life support suits ! How can they survive the tortures of deep space ?!" Data- "I don't believe that those are humans sir, if you will look closer I believe you will see that they are carrying something recognized by twenty-first century man as doeskin leather briefcases, and wearing Armani suits." Riker and Picard together, horrified: "Lawyers !!" Geordi: "It can't be. All the Lawyers were rounded up and sent hurtling into the sun in 2017 during the Great Awakening." Data: "True, but apparently some must have survived." Riker: "They have surrounded the Borg ship and are covering it with all types of papers." Data: "I believe that is known in ancient vernacular as 'red tape'. It often proves fatal." Riker: "They're tearing the Borg to pieces !" Picard: "Turn off the monitors. I can't stand to watch, not even the Borg deserve this." ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 02:55:36 +1100 Reply-To: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List Sender: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List From: Jenn Vesperman Subject: Re: Progress... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jean Lorrah wrote: > WHAT Internet Mag??? If it's something new, the search engines won't be > able to pick it up from "Sime Gen" for months, and if it's temporary, maybe > never. Please find out, Jenn. > > Or are we talking about a print magazine _about_ the Internet here? That > would be even better--and if so we desperately need a copy to go with the > movie script! Jean It was a print magazine, and it turns out to have also been a mistake.. the friend got Sime~Gen confused with another passion of mine and misspoke. I'll know next time to confirm such things before I announce them. Jenn V. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 13:11:16 -0800 Reply-To: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List Sender: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List From: "Jaramillo, Don" Subject: BACK: Transfer Mechanics / modes. MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I _think_ I mentioned this question before, but it was during my own minor Age of Chaos, so I didn't see an answer.... I'd like to know that kind of transfer interactions are possible, irrespective if they are healthy, dangerous, or perverted. So far, we seem to have the following seen or implied: * Sime pulling from Gen * Gen pushing to Sime * Channel pulling from Gen into Secondary * Channel pushing into Sime from Secondary * Sime pulling from Channel from Secondary * Sime pulling from renSime (or Channel primary) -- Implied as part of ZD process. * Gen restricting or halting Selyn flow being pulled by Sime. * Sime to Selyn Battery * Sime from Selyn Battery. Are these following possible, even if unknown or considered abominations: * Channel pushing into Gen * Gen pulling from Sime, even if it is causing it to be voided. * Gen pushing into Selyn Battery How much control does a First Order Donor have over Selyn flow? Maybe I shouldn't say Donor, since some of these would definitely be non-Tecton. There are probably other implications based upon how much control a highly trained Gen might have. One thing is how would endowment affect a Gen's capabilities? Let Go, Let Gen! Don ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 13:31:20 -0800 Reply-To: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List Sender: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List From: "Jaramillo, Don" Subject: Re: renSime control MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit >---------- >From: Jean Lorrah[SMTP:a21711f@MSUMUSIK.MURSUKY.EDU] >Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 1997 9:00 PM >To: SIMEGEN-L@SIU.EDU >Subject: renSime control > >Don asks, >>Jean, I ask your opinion. Do you feel that renSimes are _absolutely_ >>unable to control their draw, or is it just easier for Channels? >>Personally, I would think that given the extremes of both the Tecton and >>Distect philosophies, Yone's Solution must imply shared responsibility, >>meaning that the renSime is able to control as well. > >Channels can consciously control their draw, clearly feeling what they are >doing. RenSimes can be traumatized into aborting, which is a form of >control. They can also be trained through biofeedback--except that the >feedback comes from a channel or Companion, not a machine. I guess I have a bit of a problem with the idea that renSimes are considered (by Modern Tecton wisdom) to be incapable of moderation. I guess it's the same problem I have with (as I see it) the basic principle behind 12-step programs, that the person HAS no control and NEVER WILL. I hate either/or, polarity models. :-) I just feel that humans have a strength, a hope, even if we don't always see it. Of course, as it has been mentioned, the rules of the Sime~Gen universe were not created for the comfort of the readers, for those who might want to live vicariously through the characters. :-) > >I'm sure that there are places in the world where the Kill never occurred >because everyone was raised with such physical and mental discipline from >childhood that no one panicked, no one felt pain, and everyone went straight >to direct transfer when the Sime~Gen mutation occurred. We just haven't >visited such a Shangri-La yet--and they undoubtedly don't want an invasion >of undisciplined outsiders. >Probably the Householdings eventually come to these discoveries, which are >well known in Rathor. By Yone's time, all Simes probably share the >disciplines, just as all Gens do. I would think that this would almost _have_ to be the solution in some form. You know, there's a part of me that cries out for all those juncts who had to die or resort to secret pens because the Tecton would not (could not) use the method attempted by Keon, finding matchmates to provide Egobliss. >I'm quite sure all of this is related to your comments about young and old >souls, Don. BTW, what makes a soul old--the time since its first >incarnation, or the number of times it has reincarnated? Tony keeps telling >me of all these many lives he has had--I've never heard of anyone >incarnating so frequently. He has three or four lives for every one of >Zhag's, for example, and though some of them are very short, not all of them >are. As I have been lead to understand it, it maybe be somewhat related to both of those, but it would be more of a case of the milestones acomplished by the Soul. I could see a Soul coming back to do the same thing over and over, but eventually, it would HAVE to learn something. The Michael POV said that a primary goal was to experience life and choice in its many forms. Short lives would imply fewer experiences, so one might assume more of them would be needed for each level. :-) > >The reason Tony and Muryin get along so well, and trust one another when >they don't know each other in this life, is that they were both transfer >partners and husband and wife in a previous lifetime--in Madagascar. Tony >was a female Farris channel (not related to the Zeor Farrises, of course) in >that lifetime, and Muryin was her Companion, lover, and husband. As >channels do not channel in Madagascar, she was a healer--but as a Sime, she >was completely under the control of her Companion. He loved her dearly, >would not allow her to overwork, and they had what appears to be a fairly >uneventful life, had four children together, and didn't do a thing to change >the fate of the universe! It was a resting lifetime for both of them (Tony >was cheating--he wanted the experience of being a Farris channel without the >earthshaking responsibilities and frustrations), in preparation for the >Zelerod's Doom/Unity lifetime in which they would each have tremendous >responsibility. Sounds like for much of the history, Madagascar would be a place for "time off" from the harder lessons, the vacation spot for the soul. Follow Your Bliss!! Don ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 13:59:03 -0800 Reply-To: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List Sender: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List From: "Jaramillo, Don" Subject: Re: Maturing Souls MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Will thinking about this thread a few days ago, I had a thought (a couple, actually). Looking at the common thread of Rimon/Klyd/Digen/Klarion and even Abel/Risa/? following the key points of the Path to Unity, I began to wonder why the two souls would be so tied to the fate of the world (whereas more would be concerned primarily with their own Soul growth, and if that involves the world from time to time....). They don't seem to have started out as the eldest of Souls--older than those around them, but they are not Great Teachers in the way that it is often thought. My thought was that they may possibly have had some hand, either in the mutation itself, or in it's early failure leading to the Kill and the Ages of Chaos. Possibly, one or both of them were killed (or died) in the first event. In this way, a large part of their Journey would be to complete the cycle they began. Another idea related to the cycles is wondering if the Ages of Chaos came about in part because the eldest souls had left the earth, creating a "vacuum" which was filled by younger souls. The problem is, the old souls left behind the "old soul tools and toys" appropriate to their age. In the hands of a baby, a powersaw is no longer a tool. Suddenly dropping a bunch of newborn souls into a society built little by little can only lead to problems. :-) Follow Your Bliss!! Don ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 08:37:22 +1100 Reply-To: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List Sender: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List From: Jenn Vesperman Subject: Re: BACK: Transfer Mechanics / modes. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jaramillo, Don wrote: > > Are these following possible, even if unknown or considered > abominations: > > * Channel pushing into Gen First Channel, Rimon into Kadi during childbirth. Implied: House of Zeor, Klyd into Yeneva(sp?) for childbirth. > * Gen pulling from Sime, even if it is causing it to be voided. No idea. > * Gen pushing into Selyn Battery No idea. > How much control does a First Order Donor have over Selyn flow? > Maybe I shouldn't say Donor, since some of these would definitely > be non-Tecton. An untrained Hugh Valleroy *stole* control from Klyd Farris during the opening scenes of House of Zeor. A First Order Donor has almost as much control as a First Order Channel (not -quite- as much because the Channel can see the fields more clearly, a Donor simply 'knows' their configuration). The Donor can control a transfer as easily as the Channel can, but it's usually considered polite to ask. :) The only trick a Donor can't usually do is 'appearing' like a Sime (IMO). OTOH, Jean's Tonyo seems to be able to radiate junct need, so maybe I shouldn't be so sure about that.... > There are probably other implications based upon how much control a > highly trained Gen might have. Check out the Tonyo stuff - he seems to be the most highly trained we'll ever see a Gen, except when the trained Gen is lumped with enormous responsibility and not able to play with their field. > One thing is how would endowment affect a Gen's capabilities? The same way it would a Sime. :) It'd give them more toys to play with. Jenn V. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 14:27:41 -0800 Reply-To: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List Sender: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List From: Captain Button Subject: Re: Maturing Souls In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 5 Nov 1997, Jaramillo, Don wrote: [ text sent on to the next plane of existance ] > Another idea related to the cycles is wondering if the Ages of Chaos > came about in part because the eldest souls had left the earth, creating > a "vacuum" which was filled by younger souls. The problem is, the old > souls left behind the "old soul tools and toys" appropriate to their > age. In the hands of a baby, a powersaw is no longer a tool. Suddenly > dropping a bunch of newborn souls into a society built little by little > can only lead to problems. :-) Maybe it's a soulware compatibility issue. When the S~G upgrade comes along, all those AncientSoul (tm) versions have to be replaced. :-)} < hiding from the Gen Slam Squad > - Wild Killer Gen V3.215 -- "As the _Dying Swan _ spurted from the momship's belly, worldkiller starbombs gestating beneath savage winglets, to featherfall upon the somnolent globe, Li-Hon Auletek, the Living Buddha of the Universal Pacifist Church, parted his lips in a wolverinesque sneer. " My 1997 losing Bulwer-Lytton entry, 1997; Captain Button - button@io.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 17:11:39 -0600 Reply-To: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List Sender: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List From: Jean Lorrah Subject: Re: BACK: Transfer Mechanics / modes. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:11 PM 11/5/97 -0800, Don wrote: >Are these following possible, even if unknown or considered >abominations: > >* Channel pushing into Gen Rimon does this to Kadi when she is pregnant in _First Channel_, because Zeth is draining her from the womb. Presumably this is what Klyd was _not_ available to do for his wife during HoZ. >* Gen pulling from Sime, even if it is causing it to be voided. Well, it's not exactly pulling, and the only circumstances I can see for it would be in order to kill the Sime--or perhaps to so utterly terrify a junct that the Sime would run for his life. But here I am dealing with these Giant Killer Gens who are for all practical purposes junct, Oliver Teague and Tony Logan--and what they can do (and any Donor theoretically could but wouldn't), is to cause a Sime to void away to death. In the Householdings and Tecton, probably every so often someone figures out that such a thing is theoretically possible, but is probably emphatically told that it is impossible in practice. Uh-huh. Re-read the "Imrahan Transfer" scene in UNTO, and you see the possibility clearly implied. Well, clearly to someone like me, anyway. >* Gen pushing into Selyn Battery If sometime in the future an "artificial channel" is invented, yes. Believe me, by that time there would not be a Gen alive who would not detest doing it ten times more than a channel does! >How much control does a First Order Donor have over Selyn flow? Maybe I >shouldn't say Donor, since some of these would definitely be non-Tecton. > There are probably other implications based upon how much control a >highly trained Gen might have. One thing is how would endowment affect >a Gen's capabilities? Whatever level the Gen is, s/he has the same amount of control as an equivalent Sime--but it takes practice and experience, and can vary with physical and emotional conditions. Jean Jean Lorrah A21711F@msumusik.mursuky.edu (alternate Jean1@Juno.com) http://www.geocities.com/Athens/3439/ http://www.geocities.com/Athens/4165/ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 17:40:14 -0600 Reply-To: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List Sender: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List From: Jean Lorrah Subject: Transfer Mechanics Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Jenn writes, >The only trick a Donor can't usually do is 'appearing' like a Sime (IMO). >OTOH, Jean's Tonyo seems to be able to radiate junct need, so maybe I >shouldn't be so sure about that.... You have to understand that that is a one-time occurrence, and Tony was performing while emotionally traumatized and didn't even realize it was happening. He was never able to reproduce it. However, it is theoretically possible. Gen Hailro can do it--when there are juncts about, they zlin like renSimes and just stay off in the background. There would be no reason for a Gen to emulate Sime need under any imaginable ordinary circumstances (you don't want to appear to juncts to be a rival for available Gens). Tony was singing a blues song about hard need with no relief in sight--you realize that the vast majority of Sime blues songs are about need, not love, until generations after Unity has given the average Sime a sense of security and the peace of mind that being around friendly Gens all month provides. >> There are probably other implications based upon how much control a >> highly trained Gen might have. > >Check out the Tonyo stuff - he seems to be the most highly trained we'll ever >see a Gen, except when the trained Gen is lumped with enormous responsibility >and not able to play with their field. Right. He is constantly experimenting, with Zhag's feedback, because he is a nageric _performer_. An analogy would be the kind of physical control a gymnast has over his/her body, or a ballet dancer, an acrobat, or a contortionist. In theory, many of us could do the same things--there are differences in body type that mean some of us could not, no matter what, but then we _could_ have trained ourselves to do the things suited to _our_ body types. Working channels and Donors have no time to experiment and practice such things, while honing their musical/nageric performance is Zhag and Tonyo's life's work. 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>>>Rik Thwaites >>>Johnstone Centre of Parks Recreation and Heritage >>>Charles Sturt University >>>P.O. Box 789, ALBURY, 2640, NSW >>>AUSTRALIA >>> >>>phone: 060 519 993 International: 61 60 519 993 >>> >>>fax: 060 519 897 International: 61 60 519 897 >>> >>>email: rthwaites@csu.edu.au >>> >> >> > > > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 08:22:19 -0500 Reply-To: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List Sender: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List From: Larry P Ulrey Subject: FWD: Humorous Quotes... Here's something someone sent me. A couple may be a little off-color, so if that bothers you... --------- Begin forwarded message ---------- Giving money and power to Government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys. -- P.J. O'Rourke While you are away, movie stars are taking your women. Robert Redford is dating your girlfriend, Tom Selleck is kissing your lady, Bart Simpson is making love to your wife. -- Clueless Iraqi radio announcer, Baghdad Betty, trying to demoralize our Gulf War troops. I want to be reincarnated as your tampon -- Prince Charles, 1991 (Not recommended as a pick up line. Kids, don't try this at home.) You always write it's bombing, bombing, bombing. It's not bombing, it's air support. -- Air Force Colonel David Opfer, complaining to reporters about their coverage of the Vietnam War. Capital punishment is our societies recognition of the sanctity of human life. -- Orrin Hatch, Senator from Utah. Don't be humble. You're not that great. -- Golda Meir It is now quite lawful for a Catholic woman to avoid pregnancy by resorting to mathematics, though she is still forbidden to resort to physics or chemistry. -- H. L. Mencken I think that the undecideds could go one way or the other. -- George Bush, 1988 We may be finding that in some blacks, when the choke hold is applied, the veins or arteries do not open up like in normal people. -- Daryl Gates, former L.A. police chief and complete idiot. Honest businessmen should be protected from the unscrupulous consumer. -- Lester Maddox, then governer of Georgia, on why his state should not create a consumer protection agency. Outside of the killings, Washington has one of the lowest crime rates in the country. -- Mayor Marion Barry, Washington, D.C. I did what any normal person would do at that age. You call home. You call home to mother and father and say, "I'd like to get into the National Guard." -- Dan Quayle, vice-presidential hopeful, defending his National Guard service during the Vietnam War. Casual drug users should be taken out and shot. -- Daryl Gates, Asshole Deluxe. I didn't inhale. -- Presidential candidate Bill Clinton Who ever heard of Casablanca? I don't want to star opposite some unknown Swedish broad. -- George Raft, on the role of Rick in Casablanca. Mothers are fonder than fathers of their children because they are more certain they are their own. -- Aristotle Ward, come upstairs and talk to The Beaver. -- June (Mrs. Frisky) Cleaver I believe we are on an irreversible trend toward more freedom and democracy. But that could change. -- Vice-President Dan Quayle I was not lying. I said things that later on seemed to be untrue. -- Richard Nixon, discussing Watergate in 1978 A woman, occasionally, is quite a serviceable substitute for masturbation. -- Karl Kraus Smoking kills. If you're killed, you've lost a very important part of your life. -- Brooke Shields, on why she wanted to become spokesperson for a federal antismoking campaign. It is more profitable for your congressman to support the tobacco industry than your life. -- Jackie Mason Isn't there any other part of the matzo you can eat? -- Marilyn Monroe, after being served matzoball soup three meals in a row. My work is done, why wait? -- Suicide note of Kodak founder George Eastman Bachelors should be heavily taxed. It's not fair that some men should be happier than others. -- Oscar Wilde A husband is what is left of the lover after the nerve has been extracted. -- Helen Rowland I love California. I grew up in Phoenix. --Vice-President Dan Quayle Everyday people are straying away from the church and going back to God. -- Lenny Bruce Bite the wax tadpole. -- Coca-Cola name as originally translated into Chinese (later changed to "May the mouth rejoice"). Pepsi brings your ancestors back from the grave. -- Ad slogan "Pepsi comes alive" as initially translated into Chinese. If we let people see that kind of thing, there would never again be any war. -- Senior Pentagon official, explaining why the U.S. military censored footage showing Iraqi soldiers sliced in two by U.S. helicopter fire. They couldn't hit an elephant at this dist-- -- Last words of Union commander General John Sedgwick, spoken as he was watching enemy troops at the Battle of Spotsylvania Court House. Sure, it's going to kill a lot of people, but they may be dying of something else anyway. -- Othal Brand, member of a Texas pesticide review board, on Chlordane. I have no weakness for shoes. I wear very simple shoes which are pump shoes. It is not one of my weaknesses. -- Imelda Marcos, owner of 3,400 pairs of shoes. Facts are stupid things. -- Ronald Reagan Where would Christianity be if Jesus got eight to fifteen years, with time off for good behavior? -- New York Senator James H. Donovan commenting on capital punishment. Without censorship, things can get terribly confused in the public mind. -- General William Westmoreland on why the media should be controlled in wartime. I stand by all the misstatements. -- Dan Quayle, then vice-presidential hopeful, defending his verbal gaffes. --------- End forwarded message ---------- ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 06:12:57 -0600 Reply-To: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List Sender: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List From: Jean Lorrah Subject: Hugs Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Here's a post I received that some of you may want to save for future use! Jean This is an electronic mail hug. You are under NO obligation to pass it on. For once, NO bad luck will befall you if you don't want to or don't have time to keep this moving. However, most people have someone they want to hug but aren't able to in person. So, why not take this opportunity to make someone feel a little better? ___ ____ ___ ____( \ .-' `-. / )____ (____ \_____ / (O O) \ _____/ ____) (____ `-----( ) )-----' ____) (____ __________ \ -____- / __________ ____) (______/ \ `-.____.-' / \_____) \ **HUG** / This can be sent to someone who you know who needs a really good, warm hug.old best friends, new best friends, boy/girlfriends, parents, sisters, brothers, cousins, grandparents, anyone . . . In this day and age of bombings, gunfights, deadlines and hatred, I think that most people could use a good hug. I certainly could always use a good hug. So now, close your eyes, take in a good breath, and smile. You've just been E-Hugged from someone who cares about you. WHAT IS SO GREAT ABOUT HUGS? ~~There is no such thing as a bad hug- only good ones and great ones. They're not fattening and they don't cause cancer or cavities. They're all natural- with no preservatives, artificial ingredients, or pesticide residue. They're cholesterol- free, naturally sweet, 100 percent wholesome. And they're a completely renewable natural resource. ~~They don't require batteries, tune-ups, or x-rays. They're non-taxable, fully returnable, and energy efficient. ~~They're safe in all kinds of weather; in fact, they're especially good for cold or rainy days. They're exceptionally effective in treating problems like bad dreams or the Monday blahs. ~~Hugs are free to give and free to get. There is no minimum age requirement. You can never get hurt by giving a hug. You can give someone a hug at anytime - day or night. ~~There are also many different types of hugs: hugs of sadness, and hugs of joy, loose hugs with a kiss on the cheek, big bear hugs, a pat on the back hug, you can hug hello, and you can hug goodbye, you can have a one on one hug or a giant pull your shoulders out of your socket group hug, you can hug a human, you can hug a pet, you can hug a stuffed toy, you can hug a tree, you can even hug yourself. Hugs can warm you from the cold, they can comfort you when you are scared, you can hug while you dance, you can hug while you sleep, there is no time limit on giving a hug. Hugs never go out of style. There is no restriction on how many hugs you can give. Hugs cross all racial, sexual, personality, and age boundaries. Hugs are love, hugs are caring, hugs just feel good! *******NEVER WAIT UNTIL TOMORROW TO HUG SOMEONE YOU CAN HUG TODAY!******** Everyone needs a hug, pass it on! ___ ____ ___ ____( \ .-' `-. / )____ (____ \_____ / (O O) \ _____/ ____) (____ `-----( ) )-----' ____) (____ __________ \ -____- / __________ ____) (______/ \ `-.____.-' / \_____) \ **HUG** / *Hug* *Hug* *Hug* *Hug* *Hug* *Hug* *Hug* *Hug* *Hug* *Hug* *Hug* *Hug* *Hug* *Hug* *Hug* *hug* *hug* *hug* *hug* *hug* *hug* *Hug**Hug**Hug* *Hug* *Hug* *Hug* *Hug**Hug**Hug* *Hug* *Hug* *Hug* *Hug**Hug* *Hug* *Hug* *Hug* *Hug* *Hug* *Hug* *Hug* *Hug* *Hug* *Hug* *Hug* *Hug* *Hug* *Hug* *Hug* *Hug* *Hug* *Hug* *Hug* *Hug* *Hug* *Hug* Smile:) Jean Lorrah A21711F@msumusik.mursuky.edu (alternate Jean1@Juno.com) http://www.geocities.com/Athens/3439/ http://www.geocities.com/Athens/4165/ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 13:12:08 -0800 Reply-To: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List Sender: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List From: Cherri Subject: So Cal Party Reminder Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" The Southern California Party will be held starting at 2pm on Saturday, November 8th. Come join us if you would like. Write me for details. ------ Cousin Cherri Householding Tien http://www.earthlink.net/~cdmunoz/FaithDay96.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 16:49:27 -0600 Reply-To: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List Sender: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List From: Jean Lorrah Subject: Gates is Got Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" {{Courtesy of ECole}} While the Gates family are moving in from their temporary quarters nearby, final construction of their new house is not expected to be completed until the end of the year. Now if I were a contractor with a sense of humor... ---------------------------------- Bill: "There are a few issues we need to discuss." Contractor: "Ah, you have our basic support option. Calls are free for the first 90 days and $75 a call thereafter. Okay?" Bill: "Uh, yeah ... the first issue is the living room. We think it's a little smaller than we anticipated." Contractor: "Yeah. Some compromises were made to have it out by the release date." Bill: "We won't be able to fit all our furniture in there." Contractor: "Well, you have two options. You can purchase a new, larger living room; or you can use a Stacker." Bill: "Stacker?" Contractor: "Yeah, it allows you to fit twice as much furniture into the room. By stacking it, of course, you put the entertainment center on the couch ... the chairs on the table ... etc. You leave an empty spot, so when you want to use some furniture you can unstack what you need and then put it back when you're done." Bill: "Uh ... I dunno ... issue two. The second issue is the light fixtures. The bulbs we brought with us from our old home won't fit. The threads run the wrong way." Contractor: "Oh! That's easy. Those bulbs aren't plug and play. You'll have to upgrade to the new bulbs." Bill: "And the electrical outlets? The holes are round, not rectangular. How do I fix that?" Contractor: "Just uninstall and reinstall the electrical system." Bill: "You're kidding!?" Contractor: "Nope. Its the only way." Bill: "Sigh. Well ... I have one last problem. Sometimes, when I have guests over, someone will flush the toilet and it won't stop. The water pressure drops so low that the showers don't work." Contractor: "That's a resource leakage problem. One fixture is failing to terminate and is hogging the resources preventing access from other fixtures." Bill: "And how do I fix that?" Contractor: "Well, after each flush, you all need to exit the house, turn off the water at the street, turn it back on, reenter the house and then you can get back to work." Bill: "That's the last straw. What kind of product are you selling me?" Contractor: "Hey, if you don't like it nobody made you buy it." Bill: "And when will this be fixed?" Contractor: "Oh, in your next house - which will be ready to release sometime near the end of next year. Actually it was due out this year, but we've had some delays ..." Jean Lorrah A21711F@msumusik.mursuky.edu (alternate Jean1@Juno.com) http://www.geocities.com/Athens/3439/ http://www.geocities.com/Athens/4165/ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 16:59:31 -0600 Reply-To: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List Sender: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List From: Jean Lorrah Subject: E-mail has let us reclaim written word Comments: cc: jean.lorrah@murraystate.edu, gina.claywell@murraystate.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Opinion | Philadelphia Online November 8, 1997 E-mail has let us reclaim written word By Susan Benjamin Shocking but true: E-mail is the best thing that's happened to writing in the 20th century. Already, I can hear the objections. E-mail encourages people to dismiss grammar, ignore structure and (gasp!) do away with politeness. It requires comparatively little thought, is impossible to format and difficult to save. Adding to the din: employers complaining that their employees waste company time e-mailing friends a continent or two away. And, I admit, all this is true. But these nay-sayers are talking about a tiny cloud with an enormous silver lining. The most essential fact is that e-mail has people writing again. And the reason: It fits perfectly into the contemporary life. After all, most people complain they never have enough time for the basics: eating lunch, calling home, going to the bathroom. Having time to stuff a letter into an envelope, seal it, address it, adhere a stamp to it and -- oh yes -- mail it seems like a luxury from the days of typewriters and carbon paper. With e-mail, they simply flick a mouse, stroke a few computer keys and -- two lines or 10, to Norway or North Dakota -- the message is sent. Another plus: the impact e-mail is having on language. No longer must words -- particularly business words -- be forced into formal submission, quaking with "Enclosed please find" and "Per your request"-type writing. Rather, the language is natural, comfortable, and, above all, personal. Recently, for example, my business received an inquiry from a firm in Japan about a job we were completing. The first line read: "Hi! Just wanted to check in." With letters, the communication would have been remote, something along the lines of "I am writing this letter to inquire about . . . " When people feel comfortable with language, their writing often improves. That's not to say Pulitzer-Prize-quality messages will flash on every screen. But the inhibitions that normally diminish strong writing vanish, leaving the reader to state freely, "I discussed the essentials of your report with our client on Thursday" rather than strain under the all-too-common "The report was discussed with the client on Thursday and the essentials were focused on at that time." And from freedom comes creativity in the form of metaphors, diverse sentence structure, humor and more. Yes, here lies the very stuff that makes writing interesting. Judging from the increasing demand for e-mailed messages, this distinct form of communication promises to stick around. A publicist I know put it this way: "When the phone rings, I have to put everything down and answer. With e-mail, I get the message when I want to." Equally important: She can answer the message when she wants to. And this leads to another essential point: An increasing number of people prefer to receive e-mail messages rather than spoken ones. Thanks to e-mail, writing is fast becoming as natural to daily living as during the days of horse and buggy. The real beauty behind the e-mail phenomenon is clear. People have reclaimed the written word as their own, whether sending a declaration of love or a form request. What's next? Who knows. Maybe people will start reading books again. Susan Benjamin is president of Words at Work, International. Jean Lorrah A21711F@msumusik.mursuky.edu (alternate Jean1@Juno.com) http://www.geocities.com/Athens/3439/ http://www.geocities.com/Athens/4165/ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 12:25:11 -0600 Reply-To: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List Sender: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List From: Mary C Arens Subject: A web page to check out The dedicated Science Fiction & Fantasy Search Engine: http://www.sf-fantasy.com/sfind.htm You might want to add the Sime/Gen Webring pages to this. Mary @>~>-- Arensmc@juno.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 13:48:04 +1100 Reply-To: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List Sender: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List From: Jenn Vesperman Subject: Back: titles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Rereading ambrov Keon, I'm finding several examples of the title 'Miz' used as the woman's title in Gulf Territory. Shall we call this lingual osmosis from the Gen territory - which would imply that the female equivalent of 'Mr' has become 'Miz' - or is it a southern-US cultural thing that survived the breakdown? Or is it something else? Jenn V. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 07:35:50 -0500 Reply-To: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List Sender: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List From: Karen Litman Subject: TECH: AOL's service Comments: cc: wlong72@hotmail.com So everyone will know, AOL will have some problem periods for e-mail and other services over the next few days. I've copied here what I've learned.... Karen Litman AOL SYSTEM INFO (Updated November 6) >> On Thursday, November 13 from 4:00 am to 7:00 am ET, members will be unable to use E-mail while AOL Tech Bwana's perform routine maintenance. >> On Tuesday, November 18 from 4:00 am to 7:00 am ET, members will be unable to use newsgroups and new style message boards while AOL installs some new software. >> On Thursday, November 20 from 4:00 am to 7:00 am ET, members will be unable to use E-mail while AOL Tech Bwana's perform routine maintenance. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 13:05:44 -0600 Reply-To: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List Sender: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List From: Jean Lorrah Subject: Re: Back: titles Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:48 PM 11/9/97 +1100, Jenn wrote: >Rereading ambrov Keon, I'm finding several examples of the title 'Miz' used as >the woman's title in Gulf Territory. > >Shall we call this lingual osmosis from the Gen territory - which would imply >that the female equivalent of 'Mr' has become 'Miz' - or is it a southern-US >cultural thing that survived the breakdown? Or is it something else? First of all, "Miz" used to be the way "Mrs." was pronounced in the American South. Actually, it still is. Then, a lot earlier than most people realize, back in the 1920's the American Secretarial Association created "Ms." as a polite term of address for women that did not include their marital status. That term did not catch on, though, until the 1960's and 70's. Just when it did, America's Southland, traditionally the most politically conservative part of the country, was in the midst of a huge industrial boom. Capitalism overcame tradition--women and minorities made great progress (which is currently being dismantled, but that's another story). While in the rest of the country people had to learn a new term, a new word, in the South "Miz" already existed--all generations were totally comfortable saying it. So all that had to happen in the South was the dropping of "Miss" and the substitution of "Miz" in all situations as the generic polite term of address for a woman. So--what you see in AK could be that same term handed on down through the centuries. OR, it could be an equavalent term in Simelan (Simes don't practice gender discrimination), that translates into 20th C. English best as "Miz." Jean Jean Lorrah A21711F@msumusik.mursuky.edu (alternate Jean1@Juno.com) http://www.geocities.com/Athens/3439/ http://www.geocities.com/Athens/4165/ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 13:54:14 -0800 Reply-To: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List Sender: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List From: Tony Zbaraschuk Subject: Re: Back: titles In-Reply-To: <34652464.7EA55A70@brisnet.org.au> from "Jenn Vesperman" at Nov 9, 97 01:48:04 pm Content-Type: text Jenn inquired:> > Rereading ambrov Keon, I'm finding several examples of the title 'Miz' used as > the woman's title in Gulf Territory. > > Shall we call this lingual osmosis from the Gen territory - which would imply > that the female equivalent of 'Mr' has become 'Miz' - or is it a southern-US > cultural thing that survived the breakdown? Or is it something else? Probably descent from south-US mores; at this point, I rather suspect that "Miz" is simply the formal title-of-respect for females in Gulf Territory, and they've forgotten where it came from. Tony Z ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 08:58:12 -0500 Reply-To: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List Sender: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List From: Larry P Ulrey Subject: FWD: Do lawyers have brains ? Here's something someone sent me. Of course, lawyers might not find it funny, but I thought it was. --------- Begin forwarded message ---------- >Recently reported in the Massachusetts Bar Association Lawyers >Journal,the following are questions actually asked of witnesses by >attorneys during trials and, in certain cases, the responses given >by insightful witnesses. > >"Now doctor, isn't it true that when a person dies in his sleep, he >doesn't know about it until the next morning?" > >"The youngest son, the twenty-year old, how old is he?" > >"Were you present when your picture was taken?" > >Q: "Doctor, before you performed the autopsy, did you check for a >pulse?" >A: "No." >Q: "Did you check for blood pressure?" >A: "No." >Q: "Did you check for breathing?" >A: "No." >Q: "So, then it is possible that the patient was alive when you >began the autopsy?" >A: "No." >Q: "How can you be so sure, Doctor?" >A: "Because his brain was sitting on my desk in a jar." >Q: "But could the patient have still been alive nevertheless?" >A: "It is possible that he could have been alive and practicing law >somewhere." > >"Was it you or your younger brother who was killed in the war?" > >"Did he kill you?" > >"How far apart were the vehicles at the time of the collision?" > >"You were there until the time you left, is that true?" > >"How many times have you committed suicide?" > >Q: "So the date of conception (of the baby) was August 8th?" >A: "Yes." >Q: "And what were you doing at that time?" > >Q: "She had three children, right?" >A: "Yes." >Q: "How many were boys?" >A: "None." >Q: "Were there any girls?" > >Q: "You say the stairs went down to the basement?" >A: "Yes." >Q: "And these stairs, did they go up also?" > >Q: "Mr. Slatery, you went on a rather elaborate honeymoon, didn't >you?" >A: "I went to Europe, Sir." >Q: "And you took your new wife?" > >Q: "How was your first marriage terminated?" >A: "By death." >Q: "And by who's death was it terminated?" > >Q: "Can you describe the individual?" >A: "He was about medium height and had a beard." >Q: "Was this a male, or a female?" > >Q: "Is your appearance here this morning pursuant to a deposition >notice which I sent to your attorney?" >A: "No, this is how I dress when I go to work." > >Q: "Doctor, how many autopsies have you performed on dead people?" >A: "All my autopsies are performed on dead people." > >Q: "Do you recall the time that you examined the body?" >A: "The autopsy started around 8:30 p.m.." >Q: "And Mr. Dennington was dead at the time?" >A: "No, he was sitting on the table wondering why I was doing an >autopsy." > >Q: "Are you qualified to give a urine sample?" >A: "I have been since early childhood." > --------- End forwarded message ---------- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 11:18:32 -0800 Reply-To: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List Sender: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List From: "Jaramillo, Don" Subject: Re: Do lawyers have brains ? MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit >---------- >From: Larry P Ulrey[SMTP:ulrey@JUNO.COM] >Sent: Monday, November 10, 1997 5:58 AM >To: SIMEGEN-L@SIU.EDU >Subject: FWD: Do lawyers have brains ? > >Here's something someone sent me. Of course, lawyers might not find it >funny, but I thought it was. > >--------- Begin forwarded message ---------- > >>Recently reported in the Massachusetts Bar Association Lawyers >>Journal,the following are questions actually asked of witnesses by >>attorneys during trials and, in certain cases, the responses given >>by insightful witnesses. >> >>"Now doctor, isn't it true that when a person dies in his sleep, he >>doesn't know about it until the next morning?" >> >>"The youngest son, the twenty-year old, how old is he?" >> >>"Were you present when your picture was taken?" >> >>Q: "Doctor, before you performed the autopsy, did you check for a >>pulse?" >>A: "No." >>Q: "Did you check for blood pressure?" >>A: "No." >>Q: "Did you check for breathing?" >>A: "No." >>Q: "So, then it is possible that the patient was alive when you >>began the autopsy?" >>A: "No." >>Q: "How can you be so sure, Doctor?" >>A: "Because his brain was sitting on my desk in a jar." >>Q: "But could the patient have still been alive nevertheless?" >>A: "It is possible that he could have been alive and practicing law >>somewhere." >> >>"Was it you or your younger brother who was killed in the war?" >> >>"Did he kill you?" >> >>"How far apart were the vehicles at the time of the collision?" >> >>"You were there until the time you left, is that true?" >> >>"How many times have you committed suicide?" >> >>Q: "So the date of conception (of the baby) was August 8th?" >>A: "Yes." >>Q: "And what were you doing at that time?" >> >>Q: "She had three children, right?" >>A: "Yes." >>Q: "How many were boys?" >>A: "None." >>Q: "Were there any girls?" >> >>Q: "You say the stairs went down to the basement?" >>A: "Yes." >>Q: "And these stairs, did they go up also?" >> >>Q: "Mr. Slatery, you went on a rather elaborate honeymoon, didn't >>you?" >>A: "I went to Europe, Sir." >>Q: "And you took your new wife?" >> >>Q: "How was your first marriage terminated?" >>A: "By death." >>Q: "And by who's death was it terminated?" >> >>Q: "Can you describe the individual?" >>A: "He was about medium height and had a beard." >>Q: "Was this a male, or a female?" >> >>Q: "Is your appearance here this morning pursuant to a deposition >>notice which I sent to your attorney?" >>A: "No, this is how I dress when I go to work." >> >>Q: "Doctor, how many autopsies have you performed on dead people?" >>A: "All my autopsies are performed on dead people." >> >>Q: "Do you recall the time that you examined the body?" >>A: "The autopsy started around 8:30 p.m.." >>Q: "And Mr. Dennington was dead at the time?" >>A: "No, he was sitting on the table wondering why I was doing an >>autopsy." >> >>Q: "Are you qualified to give a urine sample?" >>A: "I have been since early childhood." >> > >--------- End forwarded message ---------- > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 17:32:49 -0500 Reply-To: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List Sender: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List From: Karen Litman Subject: Fwd: A Smile Poem Comments: cc: wlong72@hotmail.com, yarndancer@hotmail.com, stengel@compuserve.com, FORPATENT@aol.com, ARCH206@aol.com, torun@gte.net This was passed on to me -- thought I'd also send it on -- Karen Litman << A Smile A smile costs nothing, but gives much. It enriches those who give it. It takes but a moment, but the memory of it sometimes lasts forever. None is so rich or mighty that he can get along without it, and none is so poor that he cannot be made richer by it. A smile creates happiness in the home, promotes good will in business, and is the cornerstone of friendship. It can perk up the weary, bring cheer to the discouraged, sunshine to the sad, and is nature's best antidote for trouble. Yet it cannot be bought, begged, or borrowed or stolen, for it is something that is of no value to anyone until it is given away. When people are too tired to give you a smile, give them one of yours. No one needs a smile so much as he who has none to give. Author Unknown >> --------------------- Forwarded message: Subj: Fwd: A Smile Poem Date: 97-11-10 16:27:46 EST From: BeeJay80 To: KLitman323 i thought you might like this :) --------------------- Forwarded message: Subj: Fwd: A Smile Poem Date: 97-11-08 20:06:06 EST From: Noah048 To: BeeJay80,Sassi601,Foyon17 To: OhDarling3,Bad301,Slinky351 To: April064 --------------------- Forwarded message: Subj: A Smile Poem Date: 97-11-08 20:04:23 EST From: Noah048 To: Noah048 A Smile A smile costs nothing, but gives much. It enriches those who give it. It takes but a moment, but the memory of it sometimes lasts forever. None is so rich or mighty that he can get along without it, and none is so poor that he cannot be made richer by it. A smile creates happiness in the home, promotes good will in business, and is the cornerstone of friendship. It can perk up the weary, bring cheer to the discouraged, sunshine to the sad, and is nature's best antidote for trouble. Yet it cannot be bought, begged, or borrowed or stolen, for it is something that is of no value to anyone until it is given away. When people are too tired to give you a smile, give them one of yours. No one needs a smile so much as he who has none to give. Author Unknown ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 11:08:09 -0500 Reply-To: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List Sender: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List From: Karen Litman Subject: Question: Has the list been busy? I'm not sure if I am getting all of the list posts over the past 4 days or so. I've only seen a few. Is the activity down, or am I missing mail someplace? --- Karen Litman ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 02:25:45 +1100 Reply-To: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List Sender: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List From: Jenn Vesperman Subject: Re: Question: Has the list been busy? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Karen Litman wrote: > > I'm not sure if I am getting all of the list posts over the past 4 days or > so. I've only seen a few. Is the activity down, or am I missing mail > someplace? --- Karen Litman The list has been very quiet - or I've been missing bits. BTW: Has NorWest Territory been worked out at any stage? if not, would it be possible for us to build Houses and local stuff set in NorWest (or some other territory) for the RPG? I'd like a section of the world which we can flesh out lots of details in for the RPG, but where it won't impact significantly on future novels if we do. Jenn V. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 11:46:31 -0500 Reply-To: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List Sender: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List From: Jacqueline Lichtenberg Subject: I've Lost List-Mail -- [ From: Jacqueline Lichtenberg * EMC.Ver #3.0 ] -- Folks: Messing with the subscription profile, I've apparently lost contact with the List. I have not had a single post of Listmail since Thursday 6th of November. This will be rectified. For those new to this List, we're apparently in a very inactive period at the moment. I've been concentrating on building a nice website for the now growing Sime~Gen Welcommittee -- made a logo for them and created a structure of pages -- ruined all the wondrous Links and then fixed them. Developed a rare and pure hatred for Microsoft Front Page. If it would actually do what it says it does on the box, it wouldn't be half bad. I managed to RUIN the links in other website pages I have, and had to fall back to a several-days-old bakup copy, then rebuild the work to get Rimon's Library back online and functioning. See my other post for NEWS -- new stuff I've gotten posted. Live Long and Prosper, Jacqueline Lichtenberg Pre-Order my summer '97 nonfic book, THE BIBLICAL TAROT:"Never Cross A Palm With Silver" from http://www.amazon.com or fans can get a bigger discount ordering direct from the publisher, http://www.toadhallinc.com !!!!!!!Find out how to get the next Sime~Gen novel!!!!!!!! On The Zeor Visitor's Center, click Directory, and see how to sign up for the new novel or read five Sime~Gen fanzine novels now posted on The Zeor Site at http://www.j51.com/~zeor I reserve the right to repost any comment that comes to me that is NOT MARKED DNQ or in some way obviously personal. My SF Review Column is posted monthly at http://www.lightworks. com/MonthlyAspectarian Join the Sime~Gen Listserve or surf the Virtual Tecton starting at Tecton Central http://www.best.com/~shadorat/sg/sgfr.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 11:57:05 -0500 Reply-To: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List Sender: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List From: Jacqueline Lichtenberg Subject: BACK:NorWest Territory -- [ From: Jacqueline Lichtenberg * EMC.Ver #3.0 ] -- Jenn asked: > > BTW: Has NorWest Territory been worked out at any stage? if not, would it be > possible for us to build Houses and local stuff set in NorWest (or some other > territory) for the RPG? > NorWest Territory self-destructs in a Zelerod's Doom scenario -- which is about all we really know about it except it's to the North and West of Nivet -- possibly what is now the Cascade Mountains of Washington State, and up into Canada -- on the high ground of course. So lots of water, timber, rocks, a bit of a desert-like area, and snow-cold in the winter, pretty dreary in the summer, lots of good minerals and stuff, lots and lots of open space. Lovely place for Simes who like to live in low -density populations. I have one Householding (that was destroyed in a story) that was part of the scattering from Fort Freedom when it self-destructed, and it might or might not have been located on the Eastern edge of what is loosely termed "NorWest Territory" -- and was destroyed by Zelerod's Doom. I suspect NorWest would make a marvelously grand spot for gaming scenarios. There's lots of nasty politics that goes behind a self-destruct like that one had to be -- lots of inter-Territorial politics -- lots of raiding across borders, lots of black-market activity in Gens, lots of Freeband Raiders, and lots of very loosely "licensed" Raiders -- and lots of upstanding Gen Citizens and their armies and defenses and SWAT teams etc. So take a slice of History and destroy a Territory in every game. We just have to leave enough alive to account for the stories of the ravening hoards who come sweeping out of that destroyed Territory raiding across the landscape, Killing, capturing and defiling otherwise wonderful places to live. Live Long and Prosper, Jacqueline Lichtenberg Pre-Order my summer '97 nonfic book, THE BIBLICAL TAROT:"Never Cross A Palm With Silver" from http://www.amazon.com or fans can get a bigger discount ordering direct from the publisher, http://www.toadhallinc.com !!!!!!!Find out how to get the next Sime~Gen novel!!!!!!!! On The Zeor Visitor's Center, click Directory, and see how to sign up for the new novel or read five Sime~Gen fanzine novels now posted on The Zeor Site at http://www.j51.com/~zeor I reserve the right to repost any comment that comes to me that is NOT MARKED DNQ or in some way obviously personal. My SF Review Column is posted monthly at http://www.lightworks. com/MonthlyAspectarian Join the Sime~Gen Listserve or surf the Virtual Tecton starting at Tecton Central http://www.best.com/~shadorat/sg/sgfr.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 03:14:37 +1100 Reply-To: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List Sender: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List From: Jenn Vesperman Subject: Re: BACK:NorWest Territory MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jacqueline Lichtenberg wrote: > Jenn asked: > > > > BTW: Has NorWest Territory been worked out at any stage? if not, would it > be > > possible for us to build Houses and local stuff set in NorWest (or some > other > > territory) for the RPG? > > > NorWest Territory self-destructs in a Zelerod's Doom scenario -- which is > about all we really know about it except it's to the North and West of Nivet > -- possibly what is now the Cascade Mountains of Washington State, and up > into Canada -- on the high ground of course. > There's lots of nasty politics that goes behind a self-destruct like that > one had to be -- lots of inter-Territorial politics -- lots of raiding > across borders, lots of black-market activity in Gens, lots of Freeband > Raiders, and lots of very loosely "licensed" Raiders -- and lots of > upstanding Gen Citizens and their armies and defenses and SWAT teams etc. Hmm. It sounds like an ideal location for us, actually. Creating a setting for an RPG requires the game designers to insert a lot of detail - most of which gets totally ignored by experienced game-masters, and slavishly imitated by the newer gamemasters. :) So a region which has a lot of story potential, but which isn't going to significantly affect the current body of literature or the ability to continue writing in the world, is ideal for our purposes. :) > So take a slice of History and destroy a Territory in every game. We just > have to leave enough alive to account for the stories of the ravening hoards > who come sweeping out of that destroyed Territory raiding across the > landscape, Killing, capturing and defiling otherwise wonderful places to > live. We'll do something like this. In the RPG's 'official' history of NorWest territory, it mostly self-destructs but remains as a region the Gens don't really claim - which means that all the changeover victims for several generations go there and wind up forming freeband raider (primitive Sime) communities. Of course, the individual gaming groups have every chance to avert that scenario by their own means - for their own personal histories. Sounds *perfect* for our purposes - and more and more so as I think about it. If noone else wants to claim it .. pleasepleaseplease. :) Jenn V. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 12:23:18 -0500 Reply-To: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List Sender: SIMEGEN-L Discussion List From: Jacqueline Lichtenberg Subject: NEWS:just posted to web Comments: cc: Kit Plowman -- [ From: Jacqueline Lichtenberg * EMC.Ver #3.0 ] -- Folks: In building the Sime~Gen Welcommittee site, I decided that the Wel needs a logo. It's never had one and the websites just looked barren without. So I borrowed one that I have admired for a long t