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I've just learn that Cheryl Wolverton's books, "A Matter of Trust" and "A
Father's Love" have been released in Italy.  In Italian.

Congratulations Cheryl!!!!

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In a message dated 3/31/00 3:09:51 PM Eastern Standard Time,
cdmunoz@EARTHLINK.NET writes:

<< I've just learn that Cheryl Wolverton's books, "A Matter of Trust" and "A
 Father's Love" have been released in Italy.  In Italian.
  >>
Bravo!  Bravissimo!

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<<
 Apropos of nothing, so far as I am not even trying to get published,
 I read through the site as well, and call it a gut reaction or just plain
 foolishness, but I lost interest immediately after reading that they
 would follow the traditions of the paper world and only accept subs
 via snail mail.  This on the heels of reading that they were
 proclaiming themselves the "comet" to contemporary publishing
 "dinosaurs".

 Oh well...  I'll take a pass.. :)

 Patric >>

This makes no sense from a business point of view.  Even I take electronic
submissions now for A COMPANION IN ZEOR.  Granted, with my older computers, I
prefered paper.  This is supposed to be representative contemporary
publishing?  I'm skeptical at least.

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First of all, Karen seems to be responding to a message I never got?
Could I be missing meassages?

And I decided to give Mr. King's "breakthrough" as a pass as soon as I read
on the website that you can onlt read the format with the Ebook reader. What
a bargain!! I can buy the book for only $2.45 and then an additional $180.00
for the reader. Ummmm, I'll stick with paper for now. As a marketing ploy,
this was to stupid for words.

Ed
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><<
> Apropos of nothing, so far as I am not even trying to get published,
> I read through the site as well, and call it a gut reaction or just plain
> foolishness, but I lost interest immediately after reading that they
> would follow the traditions of the paper world and only accept subs
> via snail mail.  This on the heels of reading that they were
> proclaiming themselves the "comet" to contemporary publishing
> "dinosaurs".
>
> Oh well...  I'll take a pass.. :)
>
> Patric >>
>
>This makes no sense from a business point of view.  Even I take electronic
>submissions now for A COMPANION IN ZEOR.  Granted, with my older computers,
I
>prefered paper.  This is supposed to be representative contemporary
>publishing?  I'm skeptical at least.
>
>Karen
>
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On Sun, 2 Apr 2000 00:00:01 +1000, Ann Partridge
<Annpiccolo@AOL.COM> wrote:

>In a message dated 3/31/00 3:09:51 PM Eastern Standard Time,
>cdmunoz@EARTHLINK.NET writes:

><< I've just learn that Cheryl Wolverton's books, "A Matter of Trust" and "A
> Father's Love" have been released in Italy.  In Italian.
>  >>

>Bravo!  Bravissimo!

I was under the impression that Cheryl is female... :)

I don't speak Italian, but still, shouldn't that be "Brava!
Bravissima!"?
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OK, I'm signed up now,
   I just got a copy of Those of my Blood" per my previous emails below \/.  Because someone else sent me an email saying they were looking for the book also, I asked about other copies.
    He had another copy, but the book is badly flawed, it is missing an entire section, I didn't fall out with wear, was bound that way.  So not a very good reading copy, Sorry folks
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<<
 I just found the books, I was chatting with a local used books store owner,
 we were discussing pseudonyms for authors (ie. Jacqueline Lichtenberg's)
 when I mentioned, I was looking for "Those of My Blood".  He told me to wait
 a minute, then he went to the back of the shop and came out with the book,
 mint condition, never opened. He sold it to me for 25.00.  I would call that
 lucky. Thanks for your offer.
 I wanted to thank wendy again for offering to lend me her book!!
 Kathy
 ps. I apparenly am not signed up for the list-serve. could you tell me where
 I would go to do that? I lost the other email. Thanks
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Glad you found the book.   Other people are also looking for it, so if you
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the listserve.
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In a message dated 4/1/00 7:08:07 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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<< I don't speak Italian, but still, shouldn't that be "Brava!
 Bravissima!"? >>

Obviously I don't speak Italian either.  Anyway, I wish her the best in any
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Apologies to all -- especially our valiant simegen.com admins -- if I have
been bouncing a lot of "Unable to deliver" messages back to the list
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If any got out, I'm sorry...

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On Sat, 1 Apr 2000 16:15:30 -0500 Kollekter <aslow@DANDY.NET> writes:
>First of all, Karen seems to be responding to a message I never got?
>Could I be missing meassages?
>
>And I decided to give Mr. King's "breakthrough" as a pass as soon as I
>read
>on the website that you can onlt read the format with the Ebook
>reader. What
>a bargain!! I can buy the book for only $2.45 and then an additional
>$180.00
>for the reader. Ummmm, I'll stick with paper for now. As a marketing
>ploy,
>this was to stupid for words.

The "reader" (Glassbook) is software, not hardware.  It is a free
download.

There are also places you can still get the King story free.

It is very clear what Glassbook wanted to do, and they have succeeded:
the last I heard about a week ago was that 500,000 copies of the story
had been downloaded.  By now it is probably close to a million.  All
those people had to download the free Glassbook software in order to read
the story.

By this ploy, Glassbook now has the largest installed base on computers
the world over, with people saying, "I'll buy new books in the Glassbook
format as I already have that installed.  I don't want to have to install
three or four different readers on my hard drive."

CLEVER!!!!

Furthermore, Glassbook is a nasty format that can't print, can't be read
by software for the visually impaired, etc.  It also encodes the books so
you can't make a copy of a book you have PURCHASED for your OWN second
computer--you have to pay all over again.  Buy a whole library of books
in Glassbook format over a period of years, and if either you buy a new
computer or your computer needs a new motherboard, they are all
UNREADABLE, because they are coded to the motherboard of that one single
computer you originally downloaded them to.

So, this company with the UNfriendliest software to e-book readers has,
through this extremely clever marketing ploy of giving away its software
and the King story, made itself THE most-used e-book reader in the world.
 90% of the people who go on using it to buy other books WON'T KNOW what
they have done to themselves until they want to move their library to a
different computer.

After 3-4 years, you can expect a huge and growing base of people who
will NEVER purchase another Glassbook-format e-book again.  RIGHT NOW,
though, they have vaulted themselves to the top of the heap.

Jean



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What's this about having to buy a $180 reader to read RIDING THE BULLET?
Amazon, in addition to giving away the book free, provides a free download of
the Glassbook reader for this purpose.  Looks quite nice on the screen, too.
Obviously the devious scheme in the Glassbook people's minds<G> is to entice
the customer to buy more e-books from them, now that we have gone to the
trouble of downloading the free reading software.

LL&P,
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Hello,

>By this ploy, Glassbook now has the largest installed base on computers
>the world over,

Most likely not. Actually that honor probably goes to Internet Explorer,
i.e. HTML. Followed quite closely by Netscape and then Adobe Acrobat
Reader. All three are standard ebook reader formats. (and many other
things as well) Acrobat is probably the most installed pure document
reader. Adobe was quite clever in giving away the reader as well, like
Glassbook is trying to do. The reason I say Acrobat is so highly
installed is beacuse it is the reader for most computer documentation.
(which has decidedly sold more copies than King's book by a long shot)

>CLEVER!!!!

Giving away software has always been a solid marketing ploy. Look at the
broo-ha-ha over Microsoft giving away copies of IE.

>Furthermore, Glassbook is a nasty format that can't print, can't be read
>by software for the visually impaired, etc.

Oh, I agree completely here. This is why I didn't join in the mob with
downloading King's book. I'll stick with my .pdf files, thank you. It
is by far the easiest on my eyes which are becoming very cranky about
reading large quantities of text on screen.

Ann Marie

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Ann Marie Olson wrote:

> Hello,
>
> >By this ploy, Glassbook now has the largest installed base on computers
> >the world over,
>
> Most likely not. Actually that honor probably goes to Internet Explorer,
> i.e. HTML. Followed quite closely by Netscape and then Adobe Acrobat
> Reader. All three are standard ebook reader formats. (and many other
> things as well) Acrobat is probably the most installed pure document
> reader. Adobe was quite clever in giving away the reader as well, like
> Glassbook is trying to do.

Other advantages to Adobe include that the PDF format (Portable Document
Format) had already been a free public standard with many implementations
over the years. Adobe were the first to bring that format to Windows,
though, as most other platforms already had had PDF viewers for some years.

D

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Ann Marie Olson wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> >By this ploy, Glassbook now has the largest installed base on computers
> >the world over,
>
> Most likely not. Actually that honor probably goes to Internet Explorer,
> i.e. HTML. Followed quite closely by Netscape and then Adobe Acrobat
> Reader. All three are standard ebook reader formats.

Netscape is also HTML, as are at least a dozen other browsers. (if not
more.)

Just an accuracy thing - this list is primarily for writers, not
computer geeks (like me), and thus some people may not know that.




Jenn V.
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Stephen King e-book cracked and distributed free

  Computer enthusiasts have cracked the encryption protecting Stephen
King's on-line novella Riding the
  Bullet, and are distributing pirated, cracked copies via the Web for
free. The novella sells for US $2.50 at
  some of its on-line distributors; others have been giving it away as a
promotional gimmick.

  The 16,000-word novella, published by Simon & Schuster, was posted
earlier this month at several sites
  licensed for its electronic distribution.

  It has also been posted on a number of sites in its cracked free
edition, though the publisher says most of
  the hosts have been cooperative in removing it when notified.

  Cover art in the cracked file which appears only in a certain legal
distribution suggests that the original
  file came from Glassbook, an electronic publisher distributing PDF
versions of the novella.

  It is not known whether Glassbook's own public key was attacked or
whether Adobe's crypto system for
  PDF was exploited.

  Either way, this case, along with a number of other high-profile
cracks and tricks recently used to defeat
  music and DVD copyright protections, should incline publishers to
think twice before rushing to market
  poorly-protected intellectual property via the Web.

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> From:    Kollekter
> First of all, Karen seems to be responding to a message
> I never got?
> Could I be missing meassages?
>
> And I decided to give Mr. King's "breakthrough" as a
> pass as soon as I read
> on the website that you can onlt read the format with
> the Ebook reader. What
> a bargain!! I can buy the book for only $2.45 and then
> an additional $180.00
> for the reader. Ummmm, I'll stick with paper for now.
> As a marketing ploy,
> this was to stupid for words.
> Ed
> aslow@dandy.net
>
Huh?  I downloaded the Glassbook reader for free (it's freeware).  I
then downloaded Stephen King's Riding the bullet for free, all through
amizon.com
Nova

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In a message dated 4/2/00 5:57:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, annolson@VNET.NET
writes:

<< Oh, I agree completely here. This is why I didn't join in the mob with
 downloading King's book. I'll stick with my .pdf files, thank you. It
 is by far the easiest on my eyes which are becoming very cranky about
 reading large quantities of text on screen.
  >>
I the past two years, I have gone from having one eyeglass perscription to
having three.  One for distance, one for the computer and one for reading
books.  I don't even try to read large quantities of text on screen.  I make
printouts.  If I had to try to read an entire novel on screen I would skip it
altogether.

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Hello,

>I don't even try to read large quantities of text on screen.  I make
>printouts.  If I had to try to read an entire novel on screen I would skip it
>altogether.

This is where the problem with epublishing really lies. Readers are too
expensive and so are printouts. (I don't even want to think of what it
would cost to print out Magnificat ... ouch!) I read ebooks and suffer
through the pain of it because they are better than their paper
counterparts. Many people aren't willing to. <shrug> Right now, large
LCD arrays and other screen type devices are the hang up because of
their cost of manufacture. Hopefully, development of wallet friendly
screens will be faster than batteries. (we are still fighting to be able
to store electricity in any really practical way and we've been dealing
with that issue for nearly a century now)

Ann Marie
<waiting with aching eyballs and collapsed wallet for reasonably priced
ebook readers>

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Hello,

<I am cross posting this to the writers list as well because it deals
with issues fundamental to any society, whether created (SF/F etc.) or
real. (publishing issues)>

>Either way, this case, along with a number of other high-profile cracks
>and tricks recently used to defeat  music and DVD copyright protections,
>should incline publishers to think twice before rushing to market
>poorly-protected intellectual property via the Web.

Arrrgh! And then they're going to protect themselves right out of
business. The best example is the software industry. There used to be a
lot more software which required hardware keys, otherwise known as
dongles. This is actually the only way to truly protect something as
nebulous as computerized information. Software protection can always be
broken. (There is a proof of this somewhere)

The catch with protection is that there will always be a number of
people who refuse to buy something which is protected. The flip side are
those who copy illegally. The trick of the entire matter is balancing
these two. The higher the price of the object, the more critical the
later becomes. What the epublishing (music and video as well as books)
has to figure out is where is the price break. At what point does
increased protection for the information, including the price of the
protection, lower the total profit of the product rather than increase
it.

Where it seems to be, is no protection and low price. Relatively few
people are willing to illegally copy stuff under $5USD. However many
people complain and refuse to buy copy protected works, particularly in
the under $5 category. An example with numbers would be ... out of 500
copies in existance, say 10 are pirated if there is no protection on a $3
book, ($2 profit per copy) whereas if it had been protected, there would
only have been 400 sold, no pirated copies, and $1.90 profit per copy.
The numbers don't work out. The value to the publisher of the pirated
copies is -half- that of the cost of the protection, much less the $200
worth that didn't get sold because of the people who refused to buy the
protected version.

The thing with the King novella is that it is a high profile case. The
percentage of pirated books is probably a very small fraction of the
total, as it has been with epublished books so far. Large piraters, the
ones who copy enough to get noticed, actually are the ones who get
caught and punished usually, keeping the losses to a reasonable minimum.

This entire situation is a very powerful example of one of the
fundamental concepts in modern economics. (Not Keynsian, it doesn't
address such issues because of its blind spots) Maximization of profit
in modern economics is a tradoff between losses, theft being a primary
loss in this case and sales, ease of use being the opposing determinator
in this argument. Under the Keynsian model, losses are to be minimized.
There is no tradeoff to sales because the Keynsian model is based on a
Zero Sum Game. (the concept that the market will only accept so many
goods, in this case books) The modern model still minimizes losses, but
realizes it is a Non-zero Sum Game and there can be more sales depending
on other factors. In numbers, under the Keynsian model, there will only
be 500 copies. The point of issue being how many of those are sold
(profit) and how many are stolen. (loss) Under the modern model, there
is the realization that with changes in presentation, one may be able to
generate more than 500, say 600, but of those generated, 5% may be
losses, but the seller still comes out ahead, because those 30 came out
of the extras sold because of the change in presentation which made the
good more vulnerable to theft or other loss. The games I am speaking of
are a part of mathematical theory, called, unsuprisingly, Game Theory.

The reason I bring up the whole economics lecture, is right now, there
is a fundamental shift in the view of economics along these lines going
on in the world. Most people never see it directly, but it impacts their
lives at all levels. This change to the Non-Zero Sum Game model for
economics is the driving force behind the wealth being created around
the world. (under the Zero Sum Game model, wealth can not be created,
only moved from person to person) Different cultures are dealing with
this shift in different ways. Some cultures already have, and have had
for centuries, the Non-Zero Sum model, (much of the East and Near East,
for example) some are just trying to come to grips with it and not
always succeeding. (the United States)

Ann Marie
<occasionally an economics geek as well>

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>Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 19:21:10 -0500
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>From: Secret Pens Update <tentacled@roguechannel.com>
>Subject: Eyecraft Updated
>Status:
>
>Eyecraft has been updated as follows:
>
>-- Ave atque vale, an gallery of new non Sime~Gen paintings by Eliza Leahy.
>
>-- Lyrics for 4 non Sime~Gen songs by Kaas Baichtal.
>
>
>http://garlen.roguechannel.com/eyecraft/index.html
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Kathy:

If you can give me the CHAPTER NUMBERS that are missing I can (I
think -- if we can match tech) send you an electronic version you can
read to complete your book.  JL
----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2000 8:46 PM
Subject: Looking for a book


> OK, I'm signed up now,
>    I just got a copy of Those of my Blood" per my previous emails
below \/.  Because someone else sent me an email saying they were
looking for the book also, I asked about other copies.
>     He had another copy, but the book is badly flawed, it is
missing an entire section, I didn't fall out with wear, was bound
that way.  So not a very good reading copy, Sorry folks
> Kathy
>
>
> --------------------------
>
> In a message dated 04/01/2000 2:46:27 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> klsjr@hotmail.com writes:
> <<
>  I just found the books, I was chatting with a local used books
store owner,
>  we were discussing pseudonyms for authors (ie. Jacqueline
Lichtenberg's)
>  when I mentioned, I was looking for "Those of My Blood".  He told
me to wait
>  a minute, then he went to the back of the shop and came out with
the book,
>  mint condition, never opened. He sold it to me for 25.00.  I would
call that
>  lucky. Thanks for your offer.
>  I wanted to thank wendy again for offering to lend me her book!!
>  Kathy
>  ps. I apparenly am not signed up for the list-serve. could you
tell me where
>  I would go to do that? I lost the other email. Thanks
>   >>
>
> Glad you found the book.   Other people are also looking for it, so
if you
> know of a source, let me know, and I'll pass the word until you
sign up for
> the listserve.
> Try:   http://www.simegen.com/archives
> The one you want is
> simegen-l   for our main discussion list.
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I took a closer look at hyperbooks.com, a web publisher for authors who want
to self-publish.  Cathy Krusberg, the reviewer for THE VAMPIRE'S CRYPT,
reviewed a book from them and seemed to think it was a reasonably OK novel
(not that the NEXT one will necessarily be any good, since this IS
self-publishing, with no editing).  I carefully read the Hyperbooks
guidelines and standard contracts, and it sounds like an above-board and
pretty good deal.  No monthly fees or the like.  If the author sends a
ready-formatted file or wants minimal formatting help (conversion to PDF was
what was explicitly mentioned), the site puts the book on sale for download
and takes only their own markup as their "cut."  If the author wants the
Hyperbooks people to convert the file into HTML, they split the sales with
the author 50-50 for the first year, then revert to the standard contract
thereafter.  I could live with that.

The site states up front that this form of publishing is particularly suited
for "niche markets."  One particular specialty of theirs is gaming-related
materials.

Disadvantages are: (1) only downloads, no tangible form such as disks or
bound copies, which may be off-putting to more traditionally minded readers;
(2) since it's a self-publishing venue, marketing could be hard work, and
most review outlets wouldn't review the book.

LL&P,
Margaret L. Carter

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** Reply Requested When Convenient **

Has anyone heard anything good or bad about PC-books. They just agreed to =
epublish a fantasy novel of mine. No fees. Thanks

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Thanks for the offer, but the book I bought had all the chapters, The book
seller had two copies, the good one (I GOT) and the other copy with the
missing section. It might help someone else out who needs a copy.
Thanks
Kathy

>From: Jacqueline Lichtenberg <zeor@UCS.NET>
>Reply-To: Jacqueline Lichtenberg <zeor@ucs.net>
>To: SIMEGEN-L@SIMEGEN.COM
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>Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 10:13:34 -0400
>
>Kathy:
>
>If you can give me the CHAPTER NUMBERS that are missing I can (I
>think -- if we can match tech) send you an electronic version you can
>read to complete your book.  JL
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Kathy Stewart <klsjr@HOTMAIL.COM>
>To: <SIMEGEN-L@SIMEGEN.COM>
>Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2000 8:46 PM
>Subject: Looking for a book
>
>
> > OK, I'm signed up now,
> >    I just got a copy of Those of my Blood" per my previous emails
>below \/.  Because someone else sent me an email saying they were
>looking for the book also, I asked about other copies.
> >     He had another copy, but the book is badly flawed, it is
>missing an entire section, I didn't fall out with wear, was bound
>that way.  So not a very good reading copy, Sorry folks
> > Kathy
> >
> >
> > --------------------------
> >
> > In a message dated 04/01/2000 2:46:27 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> > klsjr@hotmail.com writes:
> > <<
> >  I just found the books, I was chatting with a local used books
>store owner,
> >  we were discussing pseudonyms for authors (ie. Jacqueline
>Lichtenberg's)
> >  when I mentioned, I was looking for "Those of My Blood".  He told
>me to wait
> >  a minute, then he went to the back of the shop and came out with
>the book,
> >  mint condition, never opened. He sold it to me for 25.00.  I would
>call that
> >  lucky. Thanks for your offer.
> >  I wanted to thank wendy again for offering to lend me her book!!
> >  Kathy
> >  ps. I apparenly am not signed up for the list-serve. could you
>tell me where
> >  I would go to do that? I lost the other email. Thanks
> >   >>
> >
> > Glad you found the book.   Other people are also looking for it, so
>if you
> > know of a source, let me know, and I'll pass the word until you
>sign up for
> > the listserve.
> > Try:   http://www.simegen.com/archives
> > The one you want is
> > simegen-l   for our main discussion list.
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>after 24
> > hours, contact Marge, our Webmaster  (webmaster@simegen.com).  She
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> > with your subscription problems.
> > Yours,
> > Karen
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Folks:

Some of you who are curious about the origins of Sime~Gen may want to
read the little email essay I just sent in answer to a query about how I
came to submit OPERATION HIGH TIME to IF MAGAZINE and what IF has to do
with STAR TREK.

There is a connection, of course, and I try to trace that connection in
the essay posted at:
http://www.simegen.com/jl/IFS~GConnection.html

There might be material in there for our next PERSPECTIVES newsletter.


Live Long and Prosper,
Jacqueline Lichtenberg

Sime~Gen Inc. and the WorldCrafter's Guild writing school are now on
www.simegen.com
To read my FIRST PUBLISHED NOVEL, free, go to
http://www.bb.com/looptestlive.cfm?BOOKID=1540&StartRow=19  House of
Zeor is a rare book collectors have paid $140 for, and it's yours free.

I reserve the right to repost any comment that comes to me that is NOT
MARKED DNQ or in some way obviously personal.
My SF Review Column is posted at
http://www.simegen.com/reviews/rereadablebooks/
Join the Sime~Gen Listserve.  Sign up for any of the free  Email
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On Sun, 2 Apr 2000 23:26:20 +0000 Dancer <dancer@ZEOR.SIMEGEN.COM>
writes:
>Stephen King e-book cracked and distributed free
>
>  Computer enthusiasts have cracked the encryption protecting Stephen
>King's on-line novella Riding the
>  Bullet, and are distributing pirated, cracked copies via the Web
>for
>free.
<snip>
>  It has also been posted on a number of sites in its cracked free
>edition, though the publisher says most of
>  the hosts have been cooperative in removing it when notified.

Yes--I read about this within a day or two of the book's coming out--but
you note that the article does not provide a URL or any hint at how to
find the cracked copies.  Curious, I did a search-engine search using
every key word I could think of, and could only come up with legit
distributers of the Glassbook version.

IOW, this is nothing to worry about.  Only a handful of people who happen
to belong to certain newsgroups have access.  It's like being all upset
that someone can make a copy of House of Zeor on the office
photocopier--too much trouble and not enough distribution to worry about.
 Of course if someone puts it on a website we have to stop it to protect
our copyright and the income we get from BiblioBytes.  But we don't have
to worry about that photocopy.

<snip>

>  It is not known whether Glassbook's own public key was attacked or
>whether Adobe's crypto system for
>  PDF was exploited.
>
>  Either way, this case, along with a number of other high-profile
>cracks and tricks recently used to defeat
>  music and DVD copyright protections, should incline publishers to
>think twice before rushing to market
>  poorly-protected intellectual property via the Web.

Nonsense.  It only has to be protected well enough to prevent the average
person from having such easy access to pirated copies that s/he won't buy
the legit version.  Making it so hard to use the legit version that it
isn't worth buying will lose far more sales than the handful of sales
lost to pirate sites.

Any pirate site that becomes high-profile enough to be noticed by the
publisher or the author will be closed down.  The rest will be so far
underground that they will have a much smaller impact on sales than
really nasty methods of protection would.

Jean


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On Sun, 2 Apr 2000 14:57:12 -0700 Ann Marie Olson <annolson@VNET.NET>
writes:
>Hello,
>
>>By this ploy, Glassbook now has the largest installed base on
>computers
>>the world over,
>
>Most likely not. Actually that honor probably goes to Internet
>Explorer,
>i.e. HTML.

Non-free books are moving away from HTML, .rtf, PDF, and other formats
that come on most computers or are very common free downloads, and in the
direction of proprietary formats.  They don't want it to be easy for one
person to download a book and then hand copies of it to all his/her
friends WHILE STILL KEEPING IT.

You see, that is the difference between a print book and an e-book.  If I
want to own a copy of Book X, so I can pull it off the shelf and read it
any time I want to, every time I lend out my copy I am risking its not
coming back to me.  But if it is a non-proprietary copyable format
e-book, I can give you your own copy and keep mine at the same time.

If you read my print copy and decide YOU want your own copy, either you
steal mine (forget to return it forever) and I have to buy a new copy, or
you return mine and go out and buy your own copy.  Either way, the author
gets royalties for two copies.  But if I have made you your own copy of
my e-book, you have no reason to buy another copy, and neither have I.
The author has earned royalties for only one copy, while two people have
copies.  That's harmless until we each make copies for someone else, and
each of those people makes copies for someone else--and the author has
still received royalties for one copy, although now ten or twelve or
fifty people own their own copies.

Here is an immensely popular author who can never get another book
published because the first one didn't sell enough copies to make it
worth the publisher's while to publish the next one--and if the author
puts it on his/her own website, by this system there are not enough sales
for the author to quit her day job or even her overtime, so she doesn't
have time or incentive to write another.

But e-publishers are coming to understand this situation, and are moving
more and more to formats that cannot be easily copied and distributed.
HOWEVER, Glassbook is NOT the right solution!  No one has yet come up
with the right solution--for it has to be one that does not cause the
customer to lose his/her entire library because s/he gets a new computer.
 It has to be one that does not exclude everyone who requires special
software to read (that large percentage of the population who are in some
way vidually impaired, for example).

And WHY make it impossible to print?  VERY few people will want to print
out whole novels, especially as the hand-held readers become easier and
easier to read from.  But the fact is that once in a while people will
want to print out a copy, and there is just no sense in preventing them
from doing so.

>Giving away software has always been a solid marketing ploy. Look at
>the
>broo-ha-ha over Microsoft giving away copies of IE.

The bru-ha-ha is not over their giving away free copies.  It is over
their integrating their browser into the operating system so that it
cannot be removed.

Well, it will be interesting to see what happens in the book format wars
that are going to rage for the next few years.  Will someone manage to
find something that is friendly to BOTH readers and writers?

Jean

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        Due to several unreasonable "rules" that dealers will have to
abide by that would severely restrict the amount of stuff we'd be likely
to sell (it would take a lot of time to go into everything) and higher
than expected cost for the dealer's tables, we have decided not to sell
at Chicon.  However, Leigh and I will still be there and we're still
planning on having the party Friday night.  Since I won't be selling
there, we'll take her car instead of my van, but we can bring some of the
party supplies.  Some people have volunteered to help with the party, but
we do need local people who can bring ice (although we might be able to
get that out of the ice machines in the hotel, it may be difficult
because of all the other parties to get get enough) and perisables
(cheeses, lunch meats, ect.)  Of course, Leigh's car can only carry so
much, so if other people can also bring some other stuff...  So are there
any local people who will be there?  We do need to get things planned
before too much longer.  Let me know if you can help bring something or
if you can help with the party in other ways.

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Pardon me for butting in...

On Mon, 3 Apr 2000 20:26:48 -0500, Jean Lorrah wrote
>
>Non-free books are moving away from HTML, .rtf, PDF, and other formats
>that come on most computers or are very common free downloads, and in =
the
>direction of proprietary formats.  They don't want it to be easy for one
>person to download a book and then hand copies of it to all his/her
>friends WHILE STILL KEEPING IT.

This is true in concept, but I'm not yet certain of its full scale
execution... I'm an owner of a Rocket eBook (highly recommended) which
allows both encryped and open titles to be read.  Speaking just
personally, I'd rather have unencryped, because then my investment (in
both expense and storage space) is protected from loss as time passes
and hardware and software changes.  I haunt the newsgroup that carries
all the controversial "cracked" copies, though I have yet to save a
copy of a book I haven't owned.  Mostly, I'm trying to rebuild a
library of favorites that I've read over the past 30 or so years.
(And I was delighted to find promise that the Sime~Gen novels will
eventually be availble at bibliobytes, btw.)

I might eventually even scan & clean up copies of books I still have,
but would NEVER post such (fear of legal reprisal would prevent it
even if my ethics would permit) -- and I'd still rather pay the author
directly if it were possible and they had the etext available.
Copying really CAN'T be prevented, just deterred, and I think if it's
affordable and convienient, most people would rather be honest.
Certainly _I_ would.

>And WHY make it impossible to print?  VERY few people will want to print
>out whole novels, especially as the hand-held readers become easier and
>easier to read from.  But the fact is that once in a while people will
>want to print out a copy, and there is just no sense in preventing them
>from doing so.

The rationale behind that is that if you can send it out a printer
port, someone else can capture it (unencrypted, of course).  Kind of
eliminates the benefit of having it protected in the first place.

Although I've been reading for a week or so, this is my first post
here, btw.  I didn't find the list until recently.  Allow me to
express my appreciation to Jacqueline Lichtenberg, Jean Lorrah and the
others who wrote and/or contributed to some darn good, fun reads.
Great job!

-- Bill

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Jean Lorrah wrote, in part:

> Any pirate site that becomes high-profile enough to be noticed by the
> publisher or the author will be closed down.  The rest will be so far
> underground that they will have a much smaller impact on sales than
> really nasty methods of protection would.

Not to mention the simple fact that those relatively small losses to
the underground also serve to advertise less well known works.
Even of those who "haunt pirate newsgroups", some few will still
/purchase/ additional works if the oportunity arises. Its a matter of
ethics, if nothing else.


Patric Michael
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To the person who sent me Channel's Destiny - THANKYOU!

I received it in the mail today and am anticipating a
happy night or three of reading.  Sorry, I lost your
email address though!


hugs,
bekj

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Just joined the list...there doesn't seem to be much activity.  Anyone
home?

--Winged Wolf
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<<
 Just joined the list...there doesn't seem to be much activity.  Anyone
 home?

 --Winged Wolf
 http://www.crosswinds.net/~wingedwolf/index.html >>

Karen Litman waves back.   Feel free to start a topic, and watch people just
jump in with you.  The old list archives will tell you some of what we've
bounced around here now and then.

Welcome.

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Friday, 7 April 2000,
Dear Cassandra,
        Welcome to the SimeGen list.
        There are lots of people on the list and it can get to be quite busy at
times, depending on the topics under discussion, but now seems to be in one
of its slow periods.
        Now that you are on the list, why don't you look on the web site and down
load some of the list archives and read over some of the discussions we've
had in the past.
        Since you are a fan of the Sime~Gen books, I think you will find LOTS of
information there which will tide you over until the next "hot" topic
appears and the list goes back into high gear.
        Some examples of the previous widely discussed topics were the change from
Sime/Gen to Sime~Gen now that it is a presence on the web and the "/" has a
different meaning there in SF Fandom.
        The "discovery" of the word "larity" to describe the Sime and Gen in the
same way that Gender describes Male and Female.
        The possibility of "rape" between the larities.
        Some aspects of how slavery might be affected.
        Possible ways to use the NorthWest Territory, knowing that they were
eliminated by the book Zelerod's Doom.
        Different methods of coping with larity in the Orient and in Russia with
proposals, but no concrete stories offered yet.
        Role playing games.
        And a WHOLE lot more!
        Meanwhile, if you have a special topic that interests you which might be
related to the Sime~Gen Universe, toss it out.  If it hasn't already been
discussed to death, then you are liable to start a whole new chain of
events, and if it has, your search of the archives will bring up many
messages on that same topic.
        Hope to hear more from you and that you will enjoy your stay on this
list.  Why don't you tell us more about yourself and how you became
interested in Sime~Gen?

Having Fun in the Sime~Gen Universe,
Ronnie Bob

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Winged Wolf---
Hello, and welcome to the list, from one of the few (if not only) hihg
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On Fri, 7 Apr 2000 14:32:50 EDT Karen Litman <KLitman323@AOL.COM> writes:

> Karen Litman waves back.   Feel free to start a topic, and watch
> people just
> jump in with you.  The old list archives will tell you some of what
> we've
> bounced around here now and then.
>
> Welcome.

Thanks...it's been long years since I had contact with Sime/Gen fandom,
yet I seem to remember your name from the 'zines...<g>

I just read "Icy Nager", and have to compliment the author on some of the
most side-splitting comments and turns of phrase I've
encountered..absolutely creative, it was a joy to read. :)

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On Fri, 7 Apr 2000 13:42:28 -0500 Ronnie Bob Whitaker
<ronnieb@ONRAMP.NET> writes:
> Friday, 7 April 2000,
> Why don't you tell us more about yourself and how you became
> interested in Sime~Gen?
>
> Having Fun in the Sime~Gen Universe,
> Ronnie Bob

Whups, that would definitely result in my becoming the resident list
weirdo (ya know, every list has one, the person so far out there that
they conjure visions of Coneheads and pink plastic spaceships), but for
the morbidly curious it's all on my home page....  ;)

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<< > Friday, 7 April 2000,
 > Why don't you tell us more about yourself and how you became
 > interested in Sime~Gen?
 >
 > Having Fun in the Sime~Gen Universe,
 > Ronnie Bob

 Whups, that would definitely result in my becoming the resident list
 weirdo (ya know, every list has one, the person so far out there that
 they conjure visions of Coneheads and pink plastic spaceships), but for
 the morbidly curious it's all on my home page....  ;)

 --Winged Wolf
 http://www.crosswinds.net/~wingedwolf/index.html
  >>


<smile> I took a look and there's nothing on your "about me" page that would
classify you as "list wierdo." What you have posted there would be welcomed
here. We have many people here with varying interests and tastes.  Welcome
aboard.

Yes, I am Karen Litman, editor of A COMPANION IN ZEOR.  Glad you're familiar
with the zines.  Perhaps you would like to tell us how you found Simegen.com
and also what about Jacqueline and Jean's works interested you to search for
us.

Karen

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> Just joined the list...there doesn't seem to be much activity.  Anyone
> home?

A number, but we're all in hard need and hence lacking in social
skills at the moment :)

Seriously, we're in a bit of a lull right now.  I will offer up an
observation from my time on a number of mailing lists: the best
way to get messages is to send a few yourself.  Discussion will
rapidly snowball.


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On Fri, 7 Apr 2000 09:30:42 -0600 Cassandra Rupp <winged_wolf@JUNO.COM>
writes:
>Just joined the list...there doesn't seem to be much activity.
>Anyone
>home?
>
>--Winged Wolf
>http://www.crosswinds.net/~wingedwolf/index.html

Hi, Cassandra!  Welcome!

Ask a S~G question--we need to get back on topic.  Latest discussion have
been on more general topics like e-book formats.

Jean


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At 02:03 PM 4/7/00 -0600, you wrote:
>On Fri, 7 Apr 2000 13:42:28 -0500 Ronnie Bob Whitaker
><ronnieb@ONRAMP.NET> writes:
>> Friday, 7 April 2000,
>> Why don't you tell us more about yourself and how you became
>> interested in Sime~Gen?
>>
>> Having Fun in the Sime~Gen Universe,
>> Ronnie Bob
>
>Whups, that would definitely result in my becoming the resident list
>weirdo (ya know, every list has one, the person so far out there that
>they conjure visions of Coneheads and pink plastic spaceships), but for
>the morbidly curious it's all on my home page....  ;)
>
>--Winged Wolf

Hey WW...

Too late, I'm already here and have been for a while. :>

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About a month ago, inspired by a canceled flight that had me sitting
around airports for many hours, I posted to the list a story idea about a
renSime/Gen pair who are on a flight from one Sime Territory to another
that is forced by storms to land at an airport in Gen Territory.  The
time period is Digen's lifetime, within a year or two after _Mahogany
Trinrose_.  The characters are Bru Logan and Reeon ambrov Dar, transfer
partners by special dispensation arranged by Digen, who is Reeon's
distant cousin.

If you remember, a tornado hits the airport and our in-T pair are turned
from outcasts into heroes by saving the lives of injured Gens before Gen
medical help can reach the airport.  Most of what they do is ordinary
first aid, with the advantage of Reeon's being able to zlin, but then
they are faced with someone with a ruptured spleen, internally bleeding
to death.

To save a life, Bru deliberately raises intil in Reeon, who in reality is
pre-turnover--but the proximity of a Sime in "need" focused on the injury
causes the patient to begin to heal enough to stem the blood flow until
the arrival of the equivalent of paramedics.

It would be a great triumph for inter-Territory relations, but the
psychological repercussions of Reeon's feeling need (even though it was
false need) while his transfer mate deliberately _denied_ him would take
a great deal of time and work to resolve.  Naturally, those repercussions
are something I am interested in exploring.

Now, some days after that scenario was posted, Jacqueline responded that
while it could happen, and it would work, the renSime involved would be
injured severely in the process, and his life shortened by the physical
repercussions.

I wanted to respond immediately, but life has been very much in the way
for the past couple of weeks.

It seems to me that there is no way for Reeon, a renSime, to experience
_physical_ injury from such an experience.  A channel whose secondary
system was wrenched about by his Companion for some reason (not the same
reason, as of course a channel would simply have projected need with his
secondary system in order to heal a Gen) might suffer injury to the
delicate vramic node (though very little, I suspect, if he was not a
Farris).

Guess what?  A renSime doesn't _have_ a vriamic node, delicate or
otherwise!  The vriamic node that is always causing Farrises to faint and
fall in it is the junction box between a channel's primary and secondary
selyn systems.  Reeon has only a single selyn system, and what Bru does
to him physically is nothing more than what any Sime might experience at
a powerful nageric performance.  A strung-out junct might collapse under
such stress, but not a healthy nonjunct renSime.

But unlike a public performance, this is very intense and personal--it is
Reeon's own transfer mate, who has to be there to protect and control him
amidst a crowd of anxious Gens, then has to make him feel need even
though he is actually nowhere near need in his cycle...and then has to
_deny_ him selyn so that he will focus on the injured Gen instead of his
transfer mate.  It is the cognitive dissonance of _knowing_ Bru would
never deny him, but _feeling_ that denial, that will have terrible
repercussions.

The effects are psychological, though, not physical.  Their next transfer
is going to be terrible, and it will probably take them months to get
back on an even keel.  In the end, though, they will--and nobody's life
will be shortened in the process.

Jean


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>From the Led Zeppelin mailing list:

Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 05:03:01 -0700 (PDT)
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Hi all,

I want just to let you know that at this site:

http://www.apple.com/trailers/newline/lord_of_the_rings/

Jean

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Within the last 3 days I received 2 pieces of surprising good news about my
vampire novel, DARK CHANGELING (Hard Shell Word Factory, 1999).  It's been
named a finalist in the horror category for the Eppie, the "big" award for
e-books, given by the EPIC organization (I forget exactly what the letters
stand for).

And -- peanutpress.com, an e-book distributor, ranks DC No. 3 on their horror
bestseller list -- topped only by 2 novels by Stephen King!  I still can't
believe it.<G>

<bounce, bounce, bounce, bounce, bounce, bounce......>

Margaret Carter

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Your bouncing is very justified.  Congratulations.  I'm bouncing with you.
Karen

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Winged Wolf -
        Welcome! It HAS been a bit inactive here lately. Please feel free to throw
out comments and/or questions.

>Whups, that would definitely result in my becoming the resident list
>weirdo (ya know, every list has one, the person so far out there that
        I don't know -- if you ARE the list weirdo, it won't be because of what
I've seen so far on your home page. And mild wierdness only makes people
more interesting.


        It's good to have another Winged One on the list!



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>Within the last 3 days I received 2 pieces of surprising good news about my
>vampire novel, DARK CHANGELING (Hard Shell Word Factory, 1999).  It's been
>named a finalist in the horror category for the Eppie, the "big" award for
>e-books, given by the EPIC organization (I forget exactly what the letters
>stand for).
>
>And -- peanutpress.com, an e-book distributor, ranks DC No. 3 on their horror
>bestseller list -- topped only by 2 novels by Stephen King!  I still can't
>believe it.<G>

WOW!!!!  That's GREAT!!!!!!!  Big CONGRATS!!!!!!

<bounce> <bounce> <bounce> <bounce> <bounce> <bounce> <bounce> <bounce>
<bounce> <bounce> <bounce> <bounce> <bounce> <bounce> <bounce> <bounce>
<bounce> <bounce> <bounce> <bounce> <bounce> <bounce> <bounce> <bounce>
<bounce> <bounce> <bounce> <bounce> <bounce> <bounce> <bounce> <bounce>
<bounce> <bounce> <bounce> <bounce> <bounce> <bounce> <bounce> <bounce>
<bounce> <bounce> <bounce> <bounce> <bounce> <bounce> <bounce> <bounce>
<bounce> <bounce> <bounce> <bounce> <bounce> <bounce> <bounce> <bounce>
<bounce> <bounce> <bounce> <bounce> <bounce> <bounce> <bounce> <bounce>
<bounce> <bounce> <bounce> <bounce> <bounce> <bounce> <bounce> <bounce>

LOL  <giggles>  he he

Hugs,
Cherri
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Congrats Margaret!!

<high five> <low five> <high five> <low five> <high five> <low five>
All that bouncing makes this tough.  :))

Peace,
Ed


>Within the last 3 days I received 2 pieces of surprising good news about my
>vampire novel, DARK CHANGELING (Hard Shell Word Factory, 1999).  It's been
>named a finalist in the horror category for the Eppie, the "big" award for
>e-books, given by the EPIC organization (I forget exactly what the letters
>stand for).
>
>And -- peanutpress.com, an e-book distributor, ranks DC No. 3 on their
horror
>bestseller list -- topped only by 2 novels by Stephen King!  I still can't
>believe it.<G>
>
><bounce, bounce, bounce, bounce, bounce, bounce......>
>
>Margaret Carter
>

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>Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 00:08:18 -0500
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>Subject: Secret Pens Updated
>Status:
>
>The Pens has been updated as follows:
>
>-- Shenned Off Comix #6 by Lemon Scent
>
>-- "The Rose Garden" by Ann Marie Olson, a storylike collection of
>experiments with characters.
>
>-- The Gulf Museum's Special Navigation History Exhibit: Obsolete Sime~Gen
>Fan Website Navigation Systems.
>
>
>http://garlen.roguechannel.com/secretpens/index.html
>
>
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On Sat, 8 Apr 2000 21:38:22 EDT "Margaret L. Carter" <MLCVamp@AOL.COM>
writes:
>Within the last 3 days I received 2 pieces of surprising good news
>about my
>vampire novel, DARK CHANGELING (Hard Shell Word Factory, 1999).  It's
>been
>named a finalist in the horror category for the Eppie, the "big" award
>for
>e-books, given by the EPIC organization (I forget exactly what the
>letters
>stand for).

Congratulations, Margaret!

>And -- peanutpress.com, an e-book distributor, ranks DC No. 3 on their
>horror
>bestseller list -- topped only by 2 novels by Stephen King!  I still
>can't
>believe it.<G>

Wow!  Wow, wow, wow!

This is SO much better than awards--ask Stephen King.  PEOPLE are voting
for you with their credit cards on this one--real readers out there
putting their limited funds on the line.

Great going, Margaret!

Jean


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On Fri, 7 Apr 2000 20:50:51 -0500 Jean Lorrah <jean1@JUNO.COM> writes:
> The effects are psychological, though, not physical.  Their next
> transfer
> is going to be terrible, and it will probably take them months to
> get
> back on an even keel.  In the end, though, they will--and nobody's
> life
> will be shortened in the process.
>
> Jean

Yep, I would agree--unless he suffered aborts from it, which could cause
injury.

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On Fri, 7 Apr 2000 16:55:12 -0500 Jean Lorrah <jean1@JUNO.COM> writes:
> On Fri, 7 Apr 2000 09:30:42 -0600 Cassandra Rupp
> <winged_wolf@JUNO.COM>
>
> Hi, Cassandra!  Welcome!
>
> Ask a S~G question--we need to get back on topic.  Latest discussion
> have
> been on more general topics like e-book formats.
>
> Jean

Ok...I've tried to get those wav files working, but can't...so just how
DO you pronounce those words?  <grits teeth earnestly>  I've been
guessing for over 10 years!!!!

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On Fri, 7 Apr 2000 18:41:35 EDT Karen Litman <KLitman323@AOL.COM> writes:
> << > Friday, 7 April 2000,
> <smile> I took a look and there's nothing on your "about me" page
> that would
> classify you as "list wierdo."

Naw, the weirdo stuff is scattered over the rest of my site. ;)

>What you have posted there would be
> welcomed
> here. We have many people here with varying interests and tastes.
> Welcome
> aboard.

Thanks. :)

> Yes, I am Karen Litman, editor of A COMPANION IN ZEOR.  Glad you're
> familiar
> with the zines.

Love 'em, actually.

> Perhaps you would like to tell us how you found
> Simegen.com

Believe it or not, someone on the Psivamps e-mail list told me about it
after I recommended the books there.  (No, I'm not one of 'em, I hang out
there to offer advice and see what they have to say).

> and also what about Jacqueline and Jean's works interested you to
> search for
> us.
>
> Karen

I've read first the Sime/Gen, then the Kren and Dushau novels...I haven't
seen much of Jean's work...I think there was one Darkover novel, that I
never got around to?  But ironically it's been Jean's contributions to
the series that have been my favorite books, particularly when Jean and
Jackie co-author.  Jackie seems very good with the technical aspects of
it all, while Jean seems to bring in some more humanity, and humor.  They
make a very good team.
The books have been favorites of mine for more than 13 years, and I've
re-read them countless times.  Finding online novels I haven't read yet
has caused me to go into "ravenous reading mode". <lol>

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<<
 I've read first the Sime/Gen, then the Kren and Dushau novels...I haven't
 seen much of Jean's work...I think there was one Darkover novel, that I
 never got around to?  But ironically it's been Jean's contributions to
 the series that have been my favorite books, particularly when Jean and
 Jackie co-author.  Jackie seems very good with the technical aspects of
 it all, while Jean seems to bring in some more humanity, and humor.  They
 make a very good team.
 The books have been favorites of mine for more than 13 years, and I've
 re-read them countless times.  Finding online novels I haven't read yet
 has caused me to go into "ravenous reading mode". <lol>

 --Winged Wolf >>

Jean has a number of Star Trek novels on her resume (some used copies I have
collected here are looking for homes), and a whole other series called
"Savage Empire."  Unfortunately, everything is hard to find, and out of print.

The latest Darkover novels which Marion Zimmer Bradley wrote before her
passing, in my opinion, are NOT as satisfying or well written as earlier
ones.  The style is all wrong, and I couldn't bring myself to finish either
of them.  Those two Darkover novels are:  "The Shadow Matrix" and "Traitor's
Sun."  I go back and re-read the pure MZB Darkover books, often.

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<<
 Ok...I've tried to get those wav files working, but can't...so just how
 DO you pronounce those words?  <grits teeth earnestly>  I've been
 guessing for over 10 years!!!!

 --Winged Wolf >>


I just went up to the website, and the sound files are working.  They use the
WINDOWS MEDIA PLAYER as the default.  Maybe your computer needs an upgrade of
some kind?  I know at one point, with an older machine I had, the files did
not play.  They did once play on my 486, then they did not.  However, I have
a much newer computer now.

For the curious, the sound files are on:
http://www.simegen.com/jl/nivetsoundfiles/

The following notation is on the sound files website:  "These sounds use
compressed WAV files (MPEG layer-3 compression, for the techies). Most people
will have no trouble - it will play just like any other wav file only smaller
and faster to download.

If you do have trouble, find an upgrade (free) and a good explanation at
www.soundamerica.com (click on 'can you play these sounds' for the
explanation)."

Yours,
Karen

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On Sun, 9 Apr 2000 11:15:06 EDT Karen Litman <KLitman323@AOL.COM> writes:

> Jean has a number of Star Trek novels on her resume (some used
> copies I have
> collected here are looking for homes), and a whole other series
> called
> "Savage Empire."  Unfortunately, everything is hard to find, and out
> of print.

Yes, now I remember, I DID read IDIC Epidemic, and the sequel--loved both
of them. :)  Jean's one of those people who does absolutely fantastic
characterization. :)

> The latest Darkover novels which Marion Zimmer Bradley wrote before
> her
> passing, in my opinion, are NOT as satisfying or well written as
> earlier
> ones.  The style is all wrong, and I couldn't bring myself to finish
> either
> of them.  Those two Darkover novels are:  "The Shadow Matrix" and
> "Traitor's
> Sun."  I go back and re-read the pure MZB Darkover books, often.
>
> Karen

I've never been able to really get into that series...not sure why.

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On Sun, 9 Apr 2000 11:26:47 EDT Karen Litman <KLitman323@AOL.COM> writes:
> <<
>  Ok...I've tried to get those wav files working, but can't...so just
> how
>  DO you pronounce those words?  <grits teeth earnestly>  I've been
>  guessing for over 10 years!!!!
>
>  --Winged Wolf >>
>
>
> I just went up to the website, and the sound files are working.

Probably--just not with my computer.

> They use the
> WINDOWS MEDIA PLAYER as the default.  Maybe your computer needs an
> upgrade of
> some kind?

I tried that...to no effect, unfortunately, the problem is more complex
than that.  *sigh*

>I know at one point, with an older machine I had, the
> files did
> not play.  They did once play on my 486, then they did not.
> However, I have
> a much newer computer now.

It's Win 95, plenty of RAM.

> For the curious, the sound files are on:
> http://www.simegen.com/jl/nivetsoundfiles/

> If you do have trouble, find an upgrade (free) and a good
> explanation at
> www.soundamerica.com (click on 'can you play these sounds' for the
> explanation)."
>
> Yours,
> Karen

Has anyone written out a pronunciation key?

--Winged Wolf
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Karen wrote:
> The latest Darkover novels which Marion Zimmer Bradley wrote before her
> passing, in my opinion, are NOT as satisfying or well written as earlier
> ones.  The style is all wrong, and I couldn't bring myself to finish either
> of them.  Those two Darkover novels are:  "The Shadow Matrix" and "Traitor's
> Sun."  I go back and re-read the pure MZB Darkover books, often.

As I understand it, Adrienne Martin-Barnes was heavily involved in the
writing of these.  I agree that they're _not_ Darkover books.

(My standard is _Forbidden Tower_ and _Heritage of Hastur_ as the
best.  These aren't even in the same league as _City of Sorcery_.)


Tony Z

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I have a baby plot bunny that I lack the talent or sufficient in-depth
understanding of the Sime-Gen world to complete.  I was wondering if anyo=
ne
would like to work with me to turn it into a story.  It will explore the
similarity to the =93need=94 cycle to manic depression, and how the most
poignant and exquisite works of art can be born of what the world views a=
s
madness.

It takes place during the Tecton times, I think. The artist has only had
transfer from Channels.  In increasing need, in the few days before his
appt., he begins to paint exquisite portraits of fantasy Gens and their
seductive nadirs.  The better the painting is, the worse his transfer wit=
h
the channel goes.  This creates the pattern of depression followed by a
rising mania as his need increases and he becomes involved in the next
portrait.  (Yes, I know.  Sime's are usually euphoric after transfer and
less creative and focused as need increases.  That's part of why he's
considered to be mentally ill.) The staff at the clinic are afraid that h=
e
will be driven to kill a Gen someday, or that he will die aborting, or th=
at
he will kill himself in the despondency following another bad transfer.  =
But
the medications and treatments they are trying are stifling the artist=92=
s
talent, and the artist sees this as a death of a different kind.

 If anyone is interested, drop me a line and we=92ll see what we can do
together.  Or if you'd rather just take the bunny and run, that's fine to=
o.
Just let me know how it turns out. <s>

Thanks,
Michelle

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Hello,

I find this actually quite fascinating. A writer I know of has severe OCD.
(obsessive compulsive disorder) A physician managed to find a drug which
completely cleared up his symptoms. However, he could no longer write a
thing while taking it. Not a fair trade from my PoV.

Looks like a good concept to run with from my perspective. But then I'm
known for running with weird themes and conflicts. I could see very well
where need depression could contribute to artistic creation, particularly
as it has very much the monomaniacal tendancies of OCD. Art, from what I
have seen, is something someone is -driven- to produce. This is part of
why I don't consider myself to be an artist but rather a hack with too
much time on her hands. (despite the very kind words of many of my fans)
I don't want to follow in the footsteps of many artists I have known,
with tremendous talent and the often self destructive tendencies which so
often go with such talent.

Of course this doesn't fit with the fact I must write or get very
irritable and cranky when I don't get my nightly spew onto paper.
<sheepish grin>

Ann Marie
<thinks of H. Beam Piper whenever she contemplates artistic vision and
self destruction>

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<<=20
 I have a baby plot bunny that I lack the talent or sufficient in-depth
 understanding of the Sime-Gen world to complete.  I was wondering if anyone
 would like to work with me to turn it into a story.  It will explore the
 similarity to the =93need=94 cycle to manic depression, and how the most
 poignant and exquisite works of art can be born of what the world views as
 madness.
=20
 It takes place during the Tecton times, I think. The artist has only had
 transfer from Channels.  In increasing need, in the few days before his
 appt., he begins to paint exquisite portraits of fantasy Gens and their
 seductive nadirs.  The better the painting is, the worse his transfer with
 the channel goes.  This creates the pattern of depression followed by a
 rising mania as his need increases and he becomes involved in the next
 portrait.  (Yes, I know.  Sime's are usually euphoric after transfer and
 less creative and focused as need increases.  That's part of why he's
 considered to be mentally ill.) The staff at the clinic are afraid that he
 will be driven to kill a Gen someday, or that he will die aborting, or that
 he will kill himself in the despondency following another bad transfer.  Bu=
t
 the medications and treatments they are trying are stifling the artist=92s
 talent, and the artist sees this as a death of a different kind.
=20
  If anyone is interested, drop me a line and we=92ll see what we can do
 together.  Or if you'd rather just take the bunny and run, that's fine too.
 Just let me know how it turns out.=20
=20
 Thanks,
 Michelle
  >>


Hi, Michelle:

Not sure what you want to do with this, but as Editor of A COMPANION IN ZEOR=
,=20
I've worked with a LOT of our authors over the years.  We do it off list=20
though.  Ask JL and Jean if they have any suggestions.  I've done extensive=20
work with Marge Robbins and her earlier stories -- and some work with her on=
=20
the later ones.  However, what becomes the final product is YOURS.  I have=20
very little to do with plot or any other developments.  I just wrangle it ou=
t=20
of you in little bits.  <grin>
Karen

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Ok, someone's convinced me to go ahead and ask the question:  Is selyn
supposed to be psi energy, or some other type?  (That is, the internally
produced psychic energy most commonly used by people).
It would be interesting to discuss the parallels and differences.

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Winged Wolf wrote:
>
> On Fri, 7 Apr 2000 16:55:12 -0500 Jean Lorrah <jean1@JUNO.COM> writes:
> > On Fri, 7 Apr 2000 09:30:42 -0600 Cassandra Rupp
> > <winged_wolf@JUNO.COM>
> >
> > Hi, Cassandra!  Welcome!
> >
> > Ask a S~G question--we need to get back on topic.  Latest discussion
> > have
> > been on more general topics like e-book formats.
> >
> > Jean
>
> Ok...I've tried to get those wav files working, but can't...so just how
> DO you pronounce those words?  <grits teeth earnestly>  I've been
> guessing for over 10 years!!!!

Differently depending on which Territory you come from! :)



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I was loading one of the pages at Sime~Gen, and happened to click on the
"stop" button on Netscape.

Appearing at the bottom of the area where text was already loaded, in
bold letters, were the words
"Transfer Interrupted!"

--Winged Wolf
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<< I was loading one of the pages at Sime~Gen, and happened to click on the
 "stop" button on Netscape.

 Appearing at the bottom of the area where text was already loaded, in
 bold letters, were the words
 "Transfer Interrupted!"

 --Winged Wolf >>


America On Line has something similar --- when you add an attachment to your
mail, there's a little box you can check which says "Sign off after
transfer."  The same message shows up when you download a file.  <smile>

Now why would you want to shen yourself by interrupting your transfer?

Karen

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Winged Wolf wrote:

> It's Win 95, plenty of RAM.

Aha!

It's probably got the original Win 95 Media Player? That came out before
layer-3 compression did.

I really, _really_ must take the time to write a page with the
explanation
and pointers to the (small, quick) software upgrades for Media Player
and
the Mac and Linux equivalents.
(No, I'm not responsible for the soundfile page, but if I produced an
explanation page I could get someone - JL? - to link to it. :/)

The short form of it is: the sound files are mostly in a compressed
.wav format which became available and popular about a year after the
original .wav format came out.
The compressed format takes about a third of the time to download, with
no loss of content. About half of the Win95 CDs came out understanding
the compressed format, about half didn't. Win98 does, and I presume
Win2K
will.

There are free upgrades (www.soundamerica.com does/did have pointers to
it
and a more accurate explanation than mine) for those whose software
doesn't
understand the new format.



As for written pronunciation guides: I don't trust them unless they're
actually in phonetics*, and I don't 'speak' the phonetic symbols well
enough to write one.


* having heard US-Americans speak, I don't trust that 'ee as in teeth'
will actually have the same meaning for American, British and Australian
speakers!



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> Ok, someone's convinced me to go ahead and ask the question:  Is selyn
> supposed to be psi energy, or some other type?  (That is, the internally
> produced psychic energy most commonly used by people).
> It would be interesting to discuss the parallels and differences.

Whooo. Now this IS an interesting one.

I'd be inclined to say.. maybe. The Endowed certainly do psi-like things
with the energy .. but if that's so, then why can't others?

Hm.



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On Sun, 9 Apr 2000 22:18:51 +0000 Jenn Vesperman <jenn@SIMEGEN.COM>
writes:
> Winged Wolf wrote:
>I've been
> > guessing for over 10 years!!!!
>
> Differently depending on which Territory you come from! :)
>
> Jenn V.

Awwr.....ok, how bout just one...is it "sim-ah", "sim-ay", or "syme" or
what??  :(

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On Sun, 9 Apr 2000 22:34:03 +0000 Jenn Vesperman <jenn@SIMEGEN.COM>
writes:
> Winged Wolf wrote:

> There are free upgrades (www.soundamerica.com does/did have pointers
> to
> it
> and a more accurate explanation than mine) for those whose software
> doesn't
> understand the new format.

Problem is, I downloaded and installed the upgrade--and still got the
same message.

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On Sun, 9 Apr 2000 22:37:11 +0000 Jenn Vesperman <jenn@SIMEGEN.COM>
writes:
> Winged Wolf wrote:
> I'd be inclined to say.. maybe. The Endowed certainly do psi-like
> things
> with the energy .. but if that's so, then why can't others?
>
> Hm.
>
> Jenn V.

Well...there are a range of "psychic energies", and while they are not
interchangeable, similar or identical effects can be produced using
different energy--so selyn need not necessarily be psi.

However, if it is, then the obvious answer is that Simes and Gens are
mutants--Gens have great strength with energy, but no finesse--the Simes
have the finesse to cause psi effects are much higher levels than
ancients could.  (When's the last time you saw anyone throw a car with
psychokinesis?  Ping pong balls and other small objects are all I've
heard of, with top weights of about 5 pounds).
The ability of "ancients" to actually learn to generate more psi energy
than they normally would does raise some interesting questions all its
own, however.  (Without even touching on current psi mutations).

Another question I've been curious about--now, an "ancient's" aura
extends about arm's length from his/her body.  How far does a Gen's field
extend?  Or is it simply denser?  Do the fields of Companions, etc,
extend further than the fields of ordinary Gens?
A Gen has some control over his field, being able to expand and contract
it--what is the limitation of that expansion?

Hey, there's a VERY interesting idea....theoretically it could be
possible for a Gen to extend his field to the point where it is so
diffuse that his location cannot be divined by a zlinning Sime--the Sime
might not even know he was there...

Another interesting thing is that Halimer Grant contracted his field to a
point, then "hid" the point...this is an ability seen rarely in certain
psis.  Is there any further explanation as to how he did this?

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I'm not sure what the "real answer is but I have always thought of selyn as
a kind of mutated insulin. Gens produce it in quantities that they could
never use, and Simes don't produce it at all. Simes are all mutated
diabetics. The nice part is that they no longer have to rely on medicare to
pay for it, and instead of needles they use tentacles and Gens get a "kiss".

<tongue stuck firmly in cheek>
Peace,
Ed



>Ok, someone's convinced me to go ahead and ask the question:  Is selyn
>supposed to be psi energy, or some other type?  (That is, the internally
>produced psychic energy most commonly used by people).
>It would be interesting to discuss the parallels and differences.
>
>--Winged Wolf

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Winged Wolf wrote:
>
> On Sun, 9 Apr 2000 22:18:51 +0000 Jenn Vesperman <jenn@SIMEGEN.COM>
> writes:
> > Winged Wolf wrote:
> >I've been
> > > guessing for over 10 years!!!!
> >
> > Differently depending on which Territory you come from! :)
> >
> > Jenn V.
>
> Awwr.....ok, how bout just one...is it "sim-ah", "sim-ay", or "syme" or
> what??  :(

I pronounce that one as a single syllable with a long i.


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Winged Wolf wrote:
>
> On Sun, 9 Apr 2000 22:34:03 +0000 Jenn Vesperman <jenn@SIMEGEN.COM>
> writes:
> > Winged Wolf wrote:
>
> > There are free upgrades (www.soundamerica.com does/did have pointers
> > to
> > it
> > and a more accurate explanation than mine) for those whose software
> > doesn't
> > understand the new format.
>
> Problem is, I downloaded and installed the upgrade--and still got the
> same message.

What messag