From simegen-l@simegen.com Tue May 1 00:52:10 2001 From: simegen-l@simegen.com (simegen-l@simegen.com) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 20:52:10 EDT Subject: [Simegen-L] WORLDCON -- Handicapped Services Message-ID: >From CZ's mailbox. Thought everyone would like to see this...... Karen >From: Rrfable@aol.com >Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 18:54:13 EDT >Subject: Handicapped services >To: cz@simegen.com >X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 > >I understand you wish to know about handicapped services > >Services planned are: > >Electric carts @$150 for the duration of the convention. A $50.00 deposit is >due by 7/31/01. Make checks out to the Millennium Philcon and sent to: >The Millennium Philcon >P.O. Box 310 >Huntingdon Valley, PA 19006-0310 >Att: Handicapped Services > >I am looking into the cost of manual wheelchairs. > >We plan to have the program book and pocket programs available in Braille and >on tape. If you require this, please put in a request by 7/3111/01 > >We will have special seating for those unable to stand in line. Request for >this should be made at the time you register at the convention. > >If you require a sighted guide or an attendant, please contact Sara Paul >(memberserv@milphil.org) or myself to arrange this. > >We plan to have interpreter services at: > >The opening and closing ceremonies >The GOH speech >The Hugo Awards >The masquerade. > >I am looking for volunteers with enough signing skills to use for the panels >and other functions. > >The Marriott has a limited number of accessible rooms. You need to request >this at the time you register. If you have already registered and have not >mentioned you need an accessible room, you need to contact the hotel and >request such a room. I would recommend doing this as soon as possible as >the number of rooms are limited. > >If there is anything else you need or any suggestions you would like to make, >please contact me by 7/31/01. I will see what I can do. > >If you would like to volunteer, I would be very happy to have you. > >Rose From simegen-l@simegen.com Tue May 1 02:18:04 2001 From: simegen-l@simegen.com (Jean Lorrah) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 21:18:04 -0500 Subject: [Simegen-L] Nessie and the Living Stone on National TV Message-ID: <4.3.1.0.20010430211433.00caeeb0@murraystate.edu> One of our readers sent the following note to Lois Wickstrom and me: The McNeil Report had a segment on e-books tonight. One of the clips they showed was at this spring's Independent E-book Awards. They showed one award announcement. "And the winner is...Nessie and the Living Stone by Lois June Wickstrom and Jean Lorrah!" Hey--we got picked for the sound bite! Any publicity is better than no publicity. Jean Jean Lorrah, jean@simegen.com http://www.jeanlorrah.com NESSIE AND THE LIVING STONE http://www.crossroadspub.com/Nessie.htm WINNER, Independent E-books Award, Best Children's Book! 2001 book: BLOOD WILL TELL http://www.awe-struck.net From simegen-l@simegen.com Tue May 1 09:54:59 2001 From: simegen-l@simegen.com (simegen-l@simegen.com) Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 19:54:59 +1000 Subject: [Simegen-L] Nessie and the Living Stone on National TV References: <4.3.1.0.20010430211433.00caeeb0@murraystate.edu> Message-ID: <3AEE87F3.4050901@simegen.com> Jean Lorrah wrote: > Hey--we got picked for the sound bite! Any publicity is better than no > publicity. WELL done! Jenn V. -- "Do you ever wonder if there's a whole section of geek culture you miss out on by being a geek?" - Dancer. jenn@simegen.com Jenn Vesperman http://www.simegen.com/~jenn/ From simegen-l@simegen.com Tue May 1 14:49:51 2001 From: simegen-l@simegen.com (simegen-l@simegen.com) Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 10:49:51 EDT Subject: [Simegen-L] Re: Nessie and the Living Stone on National TV Message-ID: <7f.1395b42e.2820270f@aol.com> --part1_7f.1395b42e.2820270f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Very hardiest congratulations. And think of the McNeil's Report audience demographic. That sound bite could not have been heard by a more capitalistic audience. Readya, Anne The shortest distance between two points is a complete understanding of the Kabbalah. --part1_7f.1395b42e.2820270f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Very hardiest congratulations. And think of the McNeil's Report audience
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audience.

Readya,
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Kabbalah. --part1_7f.1395b42e.2820270f_boundary-- From simegen-l@simegen.com Tue May 1 23:14:43 2001 From: simegen-l@simegen.com (Larry Ulrey) Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 16:14:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Simegen-L] Worldcon roommates needed. Message-ID: <20010501231443.10996.qmail@web10906.mail.yahoo.com> We are in desperate need of more roommates for Worldcon. We've had one person back out, so now there's only myself, my wife (Leigh), and a friend of ours. That's not enough considering how expensive the Marriott is. We _*must*_ have a definite commitment by at least one more person (and ideally up to three more people) by no later than June 1st. If we don't get someone else by then, we'll first look at _all_ the hotels within 10 blocks of the convention center and see if any have a rate we can afford. If not, we'll have to cancel our plans and sell our memberships. If we can't come or if we have to stay in a cheaper hotel, someone else will have to host the Sime~Gen party if it evens happens at all. There's very little time left. So is there _anyone_ on the list who wants to share our room? Remember we must have a _*definite*_ commitment by June 1st. Anyone? Larry Ulrey __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From simegen-l@simegen.com Fri May 4 13:06:19 2001 From: simegen-l@simegen.com (Dr. Jean Lorrah) Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 08:06:19 -0500 Subject: [Simegen-L] Video Sound Bite on line Message-ID: <4.3.1.0.20010504080147.00c88690@murraystate.edu> The e-book segment of the News Hour featuring Lois' and my (less than) 15 seconds of fame is now on-line at http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/media/jan-june01/ebooks_4-30.html# . That page gives a transcript of the entire segment, but at the top of the page you can click on either an audio or a video version. The fun of modern technology! Jean From simegen-l@simegen.com Sun May 6 03:53:27 2001 From: simegen-l@simegen.com (Katherine Rylien) Date: Sat, 05 May 2001 23:53:27 -0400 Subject: [Simegen-L] Karen gets airborne References: <4.3.1.0.20010504080147.00c88690@murraystate.edu> Message-ID: <3AF4CAB7.C8B60217@ic.net> During a recent vacation trip to Maryland, I had the opportunity to have CZ editor Karen MacLeod as a passenger for her first trip in a small, general-aviation aircraft (a Cessna Skyhawk for those that are interested). Climbing into the Skyhawk requires a certain amount of athleticism, and Karen has limited range of motion in her legs, so she was not even sure it would be possible for her to get onboard. But with the aid of a stool and a little ingenuity on her part, she managed rather nicely. That was the hard part as far as she was concerned; she had comparatively little anxiety about the flying itself. We departed Baltimore's Martin State airport in fairly good visual flight conditions, with high cloud ceilings, smooth air and visibility restricted by haze to around 6-10 miles. This cleared somewhat as we got closer to the ocean, though the downside of this was that we began to encounter the occasional updraft, so the ride was not quite as smooth. After landing at Ocean City, MD, we drove to Assateague Island to see the wild ponies. I would recommend Assateague as a destination to anyone! The next day, Karen let me tag along as she demonstrated another transportation option--she rides English-style and is in the process of renewing her skills after a period of inactivity. She did not feel her skills were at their peak but I was quite impressed. Visiting Karen also gave me the opportunity for a very illuminating chat on the internet with Jacqueline Lichtenberg, simply because I was in the right place (Karen's apartment) at the right time. In addition to this I made the acquaintance of Karen's three cats and found out for myself that Karen is an excellent cook. Karen asks that I remind the list that she still has back issues of CZ available. I can attest to this, having seen the boxes for myself . If you have wanted to order these but hesitated to put her to the trouble because she has just moved, not to worry, she knows exactly where they are. Send her an e-mail to learn which are still available. --Katherine Rylien From simegen-l@simegen.com Sun May 6 05:29:13 2001 From: simegen-l@simegen.com (simegen-l@simegen.com) Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 01:29:13 EDT Subject: [Simegen-L] Karen gets airborne Message-ID: <6a.dd9e942.28263b29@aol.com> Smile.... And I really enjoyed Katherine's company. I even let her alone for a bit to work on her upcoming story for CZ called "Vocation." Its not quite ready yet...Katherine says it needs more work. I really enjoyed our day with the plane and the Assateague ponies. I'm grateful for the chance to do something really different for me. I'm hoping Katherine will come back next year. Maybe we can do that again, or even something different. Karen From simegen-l@simegen.com Mon May 7 12:22:58 2001 From: simegen-l@simegen.com (Jean Lorrah) Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 07:22:58 -0500 Subject: [Simegen-L] Children with three genetic parents Message-ID: <4.3.1.0.20010507071917.00d762d0@murraystate.edu> http://www.cnn.com/2001/TECH/science/05/05/US.genes/index.html The story says that at least fifteen children born of a technique of inserting genetic material from an infertile woman into the egg of a fertile woman and then fertilizing that egg inherit genes of BOTH mothers and the father. What incredible implications for sf! Jean From simegen-l@simegen.com Mon May 7 12:49:26 2001 From: simegen-l@simegen.com (simegen-l@simegen.com) Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 08:49:26 EDT Subject: [Simegen-L] Children with three genetic parents Message-ID: << http://www.cnn.com/2001/TECH/science/05/05/US.genes/index.html The story says that at least fifteen children born of a technique of inserting genetic material from an infertile woman into the egg of a fertile woman and then fertilizing that egg inherit genes of BOTH mothers and the father. What incredible implications for sf! Jean >> I saw this article a few days ago and cringed. What a nightmare for medical health background reasons, knowing aspects of each. Some diseases are said to have more of a heriditary factor (cancer, allergies). To have THREE histories? Yipe. Most of these children did inherit characteristics of all three parents. Some didn't. Karen From simegen-l@simegen.com Mon May 7 13:41:37 2001 From: simegen-l@simegen.com (John Cowan) Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 09:41:37 -0400 Subject: [Simegen-L] Children with three genetic parents References: <4.3.1.0.20010507071917.00d762d0@murraystate.edu> Message-ID: <3AF6A611.3000808@reutershealth.com> Jean Lorrah wrote: > The story says that at least fifteen children born of a technique of > inserting genetic material from an infertile woman into the egg of a > fertile woman and then fertilizing that egg inherit genes of BOTH > mothers and the father. Let's not go overboard here. The second mother contributes, at most, part of the mitochondrial DNA. While malfunctioning mitochondria can cause nasty muscular weakness and other problems, these disorders are very rare. All of the ordinary (nuclear) DNA comes solely from the mother and the father, and this is responsible for almost all the child's inherited characteristics. -- There is / one art || John Cowan no more / no less || http://www.reutershealth.com to do / all things || http://www.ccil.org/~cowan with art- / lessness \\ -- Piet Hein From simegen-l@simegen.com Mon May 7 15:10:04 2001 From: simegen-l@simegen.com (simegen-l@simegen.com) Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 11:10:04 EDT Subject: [Simegen-L] Our KERRY -- Doing Author's Chat tonight Message-ID: <42.144f05a1.282814cc@aol.com> This from Kerry Lindemann-Schaefer, who just re-released her "Walls of Ancient Stone" as an e-book. ---- Karen Hi, everyone! I'm going to do an author chat thing tonight at 8PM. See below for details, if you want to join in. Never done this before, so it's new to me. Kerry Kerry - http://www.fictionforest.com/confroom/index.html It is all very casual so no worries .... Connie www.ebooksonthe.net Revolutionizing the way the world reads today ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerry" To: "ebooksonthe.net" Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 9:56 AM Subject: Re: chat Morning Kerry - Would you be interested in attending an online author chat this evening @ 8 EDT? Connie www.ebooksonthe.net Revolutionizing the way the world reads today From simegen-l@simegen.com Mon May 7 15:23:08 2001 From: simegen-l@simegen.com (simegen-l@simegen.com) Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 01:23:08 +1000 Subject: [Writers-L] Re: [Simegen-L] Children with three genetic parents References: <4.3.1.0.20010507071917.00d762d0@murraystate.edu> <3AF6A611.3000808@reutershealth.com> Message-ID: <3AF6BDDC.1040008@simegen.com> John Cowan wrote: > The second mother contributes, at most, part of the mitochondrial DNA. > While malfunctioning mitochondria can cause nasty muscular weakness > and other problems, these disorders are very rare. All of the ordinary > (nuclear) DNA comes solely from the mother and the father, and this > is responsible for almost all the child's inherited characteristics. Chronic Fatigue Syndrome may be due to malfunctioning mitochrondria. There are studies which show it as possible, none yet which show it as definate. But if this is to - well, CFS isn't 'very rare'. :/ Jenn V. -- "Do you ever wonder if there's a whole section of geek culture you miss out on by being a geek?" - Dancer. jenn@simegen.com Jenn Vesperman http://www.simegen.com/~jenn/ From simegen-l@simegen.com Tue May 8 01:03:08 2001 From: simegen-l@simegen.com (simegen-l@simegen.com) Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 21:03:08 EDT Subject: [Simegen-L] Children with three genetic parents Message-ID: <90.13e7e562.28289fcc@aol.com> In a message dated 5/7/01 7:52:26 AM Central Daylight Time, KLitman323@aol.com writes: > << > http://www.cnn.com/2001/TECH/science/05/05/US.genes/index.html > > The story says that at least fifteen children born of a technique of > inserting genetic material from an infertile woman into the egg of a > fertile woman and then fertilizing that egg inherit genes of BOTH mothers > and the father. > > What incredible implications for sf! > Jean > >> > > I saw this article a few days ago and cringed. What a nightmare for > medical health background reasons, knowing aspects of each. Some > diseases are said to have more of a heriditary factor (cancer, allergies). > To have THREE histories? Yipe. Most of these children did inherit > characteristics of all three parents. Some didn't. My first thought was the Epic of Gilgamesh - you know, that legendary Sumerian king who was 2/3 God and 1/3 man... My second thought was -- didn't I hear about this a few years ago? (oldest of the children turns 4 soon, so maybe I did) Then I read Karen's post and thought about possible health problems. There ARE some mitochondrial diseases, and although they are rare, if you're one of the unlucky ones, well.... Then it occured to me that nature may have already achieved this. Just as identical twins (and triplets) are naturally occuring clones, so, too, there ARE a few instances of humans with (possibly) more than two genetic parents. It's called mosaicism, which is sort of the opposite of identical twins - instead of one egg forming two people, two eggs merge to form one person. In some cases the merging isn't complete and you get one twin embedded in another, usually as a very funky tumor sort of thing. In others, the person looks normal, even with intensive examination, but some of their cells contain one set of genes and some contain another set. Again, merge two fertilized eggs, fertilized by different fathers... One instance involved a paternity test where it was revealed the man, was, indeed the father but the mother couldn't be the mother because the genes didn't match up - yet she had given birth to the child. Turns out the woman was a mosaic, with roughly half her cells of one genotype and half of another, but by some weird fluke the genes in her ovaries didn't match the one's in her cheek where they took the tissue sample for the test. Otherwise, she was perfectly normal. Also, if her ovaries were a mix of genotypes, two children she had by the same man could be socially and legally full-blood siblings, but genetically half-siblings, depending on which genotype wound up in which egg. (Hmmm... is that the explanation for Gilgamesh?) Even so, that's a bit different that combining maternal genes of one woman + mitrochondrian genes of another woman + father's genes. Don't think anyone has ever proved 3-parent people to occur naturally - but then I doubt anyone has ever gone looking for it, either. Trivia: I first learned about mitochondria by reading _A Swiftly Tilting Planet_ by, if I recall, Madelaine L'Engle (Is that right?) Gosh, that must have been more than 25 years ago. Anyone else learn interesting biological facts from SF? >---Broomstick--- Any Day Above Ground Is a Good Day From simegen-l@simegen.com Tue May 8 01:27:04 2001 From: simegen-l@simegen.com (John Cowan) Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 21:27:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Simegen-L] Children with three genetic parents In-Reply-To: <90.13e7e562.28289fcc@aol.com> from "Beesticker@aol.com" at "May 7, 2001 09:03:08 pm" Message-ID: Beesticker@aol.com scripsit: > My first thought was the Epic of Gilgamesh - you know, that legendary > Sumerian king who was 2/3 God and 1/3 man... A FOAF of mine claims to be two-thirds Cherokee. When anyone challenges him on this, he politely explains that both his parents are two-thirds Cherokee. -- John Cowan cowan@ccil.org One art/there is/no less/no more/All things/to do/with sparks/galore --Douglas Hofstadter From simegen-l@simegen.com Tue May 8 14:52:49 2001 From: simegen-l@simegen.com (Jean Lorrah) Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 09:52:49 -0500 Subject: [Simegen-L] MicroSoft to cut own throat? Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20010508095249.008a3900@msumusik.mursuky.edu> Here's an excellent way for MicroSoft to drive businesses to Linux! Jean >[SOFTWARE] >Microsoft May Create Three-Year Software Licenses > Microsoft may be changing its licensing practices, potentially >compelling large companies to pay up every three years to continue using a >piece of software. The Redmond, Wash.-based software company has been >talking about selling software on a subscription basis for some time, but >the change analysts see coming soon could force some of Microsoft's >largest customers to rethink how they buy everything from operating >systems to office productivity suites. > Read the article: CNET News.com @ >http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-5851009.html?tag=tp_pr > Further reading on GigaLaw.com: How to License Customized Software @ >http://www.gigalaw.com/articles/hollander-2000-01-p1.html > Visit my websites, http://www.simegen.com/jean and http://www.jeanlorrah.com NEW BOOK: Nessie and the Living Stone http://www.crossroadspub.com/Nessie.htm WINNER! Independent E-books Award, best children's book. From simegen-l@simegen.com Tue May 8 17:44:18 2001 From: simegen-l@simegen.com (Jean Lorrah) Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 12:44:18 -0500 Subject: [Simegen-L] Business Success through prayer Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20010508124418.008a38f0@msumusik.mursuky.edu> The Success of Jabez Apparently many people are now finding the answer to tough economic times not in the pursuit of Greenspan but in the prayer of Jabez. A front-page NYTimes article looks at the surprising success of Bruce H. Wilkinson's THE PRAYER OF JABEZ: BREAKING THROUGH TO THE BLESSED LIFE (Multnomah Publishers), with over 4 million copies sold, most of those reportedly over the last three months (driven by bulk purchases). The book shows how prayer can bring financial success: "It preaches that it is perfectly fine to ask God for personal success, as long as that success has a godly purpose." Wilkinson says "Jabez prayed for more property. He was a farmer or herdsman, and he was asking for more business. When I talk to business owners or managers, I tell them that if their business is honoring the public and they're treating their employees well, it's right to ask God to bless their business." Publisher Don Jacobson expected to sell about 30,000 copies. "People are reading this book, praying this prayer, and they're seeing God work in their lives. When that happens, it kind of shocks them, so much so that they go out and buy books for other people." NYT article http://link.ixs1.net/s/link/click?rc=al&rti=835982&si=p2170101 Visit my websites, http://www.simegen.com/jean and http://www.jeanlorrah.com NEW BOOK: Nessie and the Living Stone http://www.crossroadspub.com/Nessie.htm WINNER! Independent E-books Award, best children's book. From simegen-l@simegen.com Wed May 9 03:18:27 2001 From: simegen-l@simegen.com (simegen-l@simegen.com) Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 23:18:27 -0400 Subject: [Simegen-L] Interesting facts learned from reading scifi Message-ID: At the age of seven I learned about isomers of sugar and DNA by reading James Blish's "Spock Must Die"..... have had a life long interest in biology at that...... Pat N simegen-l@simegen.com wrote: > In a message dated 5/7/01 7:52:26 AM Central Daylight Time, KLitman323@aol.com writes: > http://www.cnn.com/2001/TECH/science/05/05/US.genes/index.html > > The story says that at least fifteen children born of a technique of > inserting genetic material from an infertile woman into the egg of a > fertile woman and then fertilizing that egg inherit genes of BOTH mothers > and the father. > > What incredible implications for sf! > Jean > >> > > I saw this article a few days ago and cringed. What a nightmare for > medical health background reasons, knowing aspects of each. Some > diseases are said to have more of a heriditary factor (cancer, allergies). > To have THREE histories? Yipe. Most of these children did inherit > characteristics of all three parents. Some didn't. My first thought was the Epic of Gilgamesh - you know, that legendary Sumerian king who was 2/3 God and 1/3 man... My second thought was -- didn't I hear about this a few years ago? (oldest of the children turns 4 soon, so maybe I did) Then I read Karen's post and thought about possible health problems. There ARE some mitochondrial diseases, and although they are rare, if you're one of the unlucky ones, well.... Then it occured to me that nature may have already achieved this. Just as identical twins (and triplets) are naturally occuring clones, so, too, there ARE a few instances of humans with (possibly) more than two genetic parents. It's called mosaicism, which is sort of the opposite of identical twins - instead of one egg forming two people, two eggs merge to form one person. In some cases the merging isn't complete and you get one twin embedded in another, usually as a very funky tumor sort of thing. In others, the person looks normal, even with intensive examination, but some of their cells contain one set of genes and some contain another set. Again, merge two fertilized eggs, fertilized by different fathers... One instance involved a paternity test where it was revealed the man, was, indeed the father but the mother couldn't be the mother because the genes didn't match up - yet she had given birth to the child. Turns out the woman was a mosaic, with roughly half her cells of one genotype and half of another, but by some weird fluke the genes in her ovaries didn't match the one's in her cheek where they took the tissue sample for the test. Otherwise, she was perfectly normal. Also, if her ovaries were a mix of genotypes, two children she had by the same man could be socially and legally full-blood siblings, but genetically half-siblings, depending on which genotype wound up in which egg. (Hmmm... is that the explanation for Gilgamesh?) Even so, that's a bit different that combining maternal genes of one woman + mitrochondrian genes of another woman + father's genes. Don't think anyone has ever proved 3-parent people to occur naturally - but then I doubt anyone has ever gone looking for it, either. Trivia: I first learned about mitochondria by reading _A Swiftly Tilting Planet_ by, if I recall, Madelaine L'Engle (Is that right?) Gosh, that must have been more than 25 years ago. Anyone else learn interesting biological facts from SF? >---Broomstick--- Any Day Above Ground Is a Good Day _______________________________________________ Simegen-L mailing list Simegen-L@simegen.com http://www.simegen.com/mailman/listinfo/simegen-l From simegen-l@simegen.com Wed May 9 10:28:05 2001 From: simegen-l@simegen.com (simegen-l@simegen.com) Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 06:28:05 EDT Subject: [Simegen-L] Fwd: NEW VIRUS ALERT-EXTREME CAUTION ADVISED Message-ID: <66.ed09c70.282a75b5@aol.com> --part1_66.ed09c70.282a75b5_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I AM PASSING ON THIS MESSAGE TO EVERYONE I KNOW THAT HAS BEEN ACTIVE ON THE INTERNET. FYI - I got back in town late last night from the bead show in Atlanta and had this alert from the computer engineering company that I have a contract with. Hopefully you haven't gotten this virus this past weekend. It appears to have been sent with a message that would make most mother's open it thinking it is a message for mother's day from their child or a friend. A new virus has just been discovered that has been classified by Microsoft (www.microsoft.com ) and by McAfee (www.mcafee.com, http://www.mcafee.com> ) as the most destructive ever! This virus was discovered a few days ago by McAfee and no vaccine has yet been developed. This virus simply destroys Sector Zero from the hard disk, where vital information for its functioning are stored. This virus acts in the following manner: It sends itself automatically to all contacts on your list with the title "A Virtual Card for You". As soon as the supposed virtual card is opened, the computer freezes so that the user has to reboot. When the ctrl+alt+del keys or the reset button are pressed, the virus destroys Sector Zero, thus permanently destroying the hard disk. Yesterday in just a few hours this virus caused panic in New York, according to news broadcast by CNN ( www.cnn.com < http://www.cnn.com> / ). This alert was received by an employee of Microsoft itself. So don't open any mails with subject "A Virtual Card for You". As soon as you get the mail, delete it. Please pass on this mail to all your friends and coworkers. Forward this to everyone in your address book. I would rather receive this 25 times than not at all. Also: Intel announced that a new and very destructive virus was discovered recently. If you receive an email called "An Internet Flower For You" do not open it. Delete it right away! This virus removes all dynamic link .dll files) from your computer. Your computer will not be able to boot up.! ! >> --part1_66.ed09c70.282a75b5_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: From: Gulffire@aol.com Full-name: Gulffire Message-ID: Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 07:37:26 EDT Subject: Fwd: NEW VIRUS ALERT-EXTREME CAUTION ADVISED To: Fairyta2@aol.com, bethc26@yahoo.com, Wmkoenig@aol.com, ciwalker@scils.rutgers.edu, CARLYSIM1@aol.com, GFM3454@aol.com, JanStClair@aol.com, illyafan@juno.com, jf_garcia@scubadiving.com, willowbug@cyac.net, JohnF14@aol.com, JMack0225@aol.com, KAB1059@aol.com, Newham1@aol.com, Dizzie315@aol.com, CapeK13@aol.com, KBTOYS@aol.com, NSandIK@aol.com, lisaeve@apk.net, wlonergan@snet.net, MAB172723@aol.com, NJB4242@aol.com, hwest@ix.netcom.com, pattysplace70@hotmail.com, rerric@bestweb.net, SEB962@aol.com, SCT8333@aol.com, snick@snet.net, Tlk2Me717@aol.com, tcerafici@yahoo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part2_66.ed09c70.28293476_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10523 --part2_66.ed09c70.28293476_boundary Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part2_66.ed09c70.28293476_alt_boundary" --part2_66.ed09c70.28293476_alt_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sounds real enough. --part2_66.ed09c70.28293476_alt_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sounds real enough. --part2_66.ed09c70.28293476_alt_boundary-- --part2_66.ed09c70.28293476_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-zd04.mx.aol.com (rly-zd04.mail.aol.com [172.31.33.228]) by air-zd01.mail.aol.com (v77_r1.36) with ESMTP; Tue, 08 May 2001 06:15:44 -0400 Received: from ci.egroups.com (235.yahoo.240.211.64.in-addr.arpa [64.211.240.235]) by rly-zd04.mx.aol.com (v78.27) with ESMTP; Tue, 08 May 2001 06:15:07 -0400 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-344489-12461-989316573-gulffire=aol.com@returns.onelist.com Received: from [10.1.4.55] by ci.egroups.com with NNFMP; 08 May 2001 10:09:34 -0000 X-Sender: BeadDreamers@cs.com X-Apparently-To: learn2bead@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_2); 8 May 2001 10:09:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 39065 invoked from network); 8 May 2001 09:15:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 8 May 2001 09:15:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m08.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.163) by mta2 with SMTP; 8 May 2001 09:15:48 -0000 Received: from BeadDreamers@cs.com by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v30.10.) id r.21.b59d9a6 (4244) for ; Tue, 8 May 2001 00:31:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <21.b59d9a6.2828d0b7@cs.com> To: learn2bead@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: CompuServe 2000 6.0 for Windows US sub 352 From: beaddreamers@cs.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list learn2bead@yahoogroups.com; contact learn2bead-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list learn2bead@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 00:31:51 EDT Reply-To: learn2bead@yahoogroups.com Subject: [learn2bead] NEW VIRUS ALERT-EXTREME CAUTION ADVISED Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I AM PASSING ON THIS MESSAGE TO EVERYONE I KNOW THAT HAS BEEN ACTIVE ON THE INTERNET. FYI - I got back in town late last night from the bead show in Atlanta and had this alert from the computer engineering company that I have a contract with. Hopefully you haven't gotten this virus this past weekend. It appears to have been sent with a message that would make most mother's open it thinking it is a message for mother's day from their child or a friend. A new virus has just been discovered that has been classified by Microsoft (www.microsoft.com ) and by McAfee (www.mcafee.com, http://www.mcafee.com> ) as the most destructive ever! This virus was discovered a few days ago by McAfee and no vaccine has yet been developed. This virus simply destroys Sector Zero from the hard disk, where vital information for its functioning are stored. This virus acts in the following manner: It sends itself automatically to all contacts on your list with the title "A Virtual Card for You". As soon as the supposed virtual card is opened, the computer freezes so that the user has to reboot. When the ctrl+alt+del keys or the reset button are pressed, the virus destroys Sector Zero, thus permanently destroying the hard disk. Yesterday in just a few hours this virus caused panic in New York, according to news broadcast by CNN ( www.cnn.com < http://www.cnn.com> / ). This alert was received by an employee of Microsoft itself. So don't open any mails with subject "A Virtual Card for You". As soon as you get the mail, delete it. Please pass on this mail to all your friends and coworkers. Forward this to everyone in your address book. I would rather receive this 25 times than not at all. Also: Intel announced that a new and very destructive virus was discovered recently. If you receive an email called "An Internet Flower For You" do not open it. Delete it right away! This virus removes all dynamic link .dll files) from your computer. Your computer will not be able to boot up.! ! 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Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --part2_66.ed09c70.28293476_boundary-- --part1_66.ed09c70.282a75b5_boundary-- From simegen-l@simegen.com Wed May 9 10:51:15 2001 From: simegen-l@simegen.com (simegen-l@simegen.com) Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 20:51:15 +1000 Subject: [Simegen-L] Fwd: NEW VIRUS ALERT-EXTREME CAUTION ADVISED References: <66.ed09c70.282a75b5@aol.com> Message-ID: <3AF92123.1080201@simegen.com> Sorry, Jan. I just checked at McAfee, and found that this 'virus' is actually a hoax. See McAfee's note on this virus hoax at: http://vil.mcafee.com/dispVirus.asp?virus_k=98893& I'm passing the 'this is a hoax' information to everyone you sent the virus warning to, in the hopes that they won't ALSO spread the hoax. Everyone: For more information on viruses, virus hoaxes and the like, see my professional web page at http://www.cyber.com.au/users/jenn/ specifically the article at: http://www.cyber.com.au/users/jenn/layman/virus.html PLEASE note that hoaxes are serious, they can jam up mail servers as badly as a real virus could. PLEASE follow my advice in that article whenever you receive a virus warning, no matter who the warning is from, and no matter what credible sites the warning includes. Jan is hardly the first, and (unfortunately) won't be the last sensible person to be taken in by a virus hoax. ALWAYS actually check out the anti-virus sites before passing a virus hoax on. Thank you. Jenn V. JanStClair@aol.com wrote: > I AM PASSING ON THIS MESSAGE TO EVERYONE I KNOW THAT HAS BEEN ACTIVE ON THE > INTERNET. > > FYI - I got back in town late last night from the bead show in Atlanta and > had this alert from the computer engineering company that I have a contract > with. Hopefully you haven't gotten this virus this past weekend. It appears > to have been sent with a message that would make most mother's open it > thinking it is a message for mother's day from their child or a friend. > > A new virus has just been discovered that has been classified by Microsoft > (www.microsoft.com ) and by McAfee > (www.mcafee.com, http://www.mcafee.com> ) as the most destructive ever! This > virus was discovered a few days ago by McAfee and no vaccine has yet been > developed. This virus simply destroys Sector Zero from the hard disk, where > vital information for its functioning are stored. This virus acts in the > following manner: It sends itself automatically to all contacts on your list > with the title "A Virtual Card for You". -- "Do you ever wonder if there's a whole section of geek culture you miss out on by being a geek?" - Dancer. jenn@simegen.com Jenn Vesperman http://www.simegen.com/~jenn/ From simegen-l@simegen.com Wed May 9 13:42:39 2001 From: simegen-l@simegen.com (simegen-l@simegen.com) Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 09:42:39 EDT Subject: [Simegen-L] Virus Hoaxes and Urban Legends Message-ID: <91.a9b1290.282aa34f@aol.com> Here's a list of sites you can use to check for Hoaxes and Urban Legends Karen http://www.Vmyths.com/hoax.cfm?id=218&page=3 http://vmyths.com/hoax.cfm?id=217&page=3 http://hoaxbusters.ciac.org/ http://www.snopes.com/ http://ciac.llnl.gov/ciac/CIACHoaxes.html ============================= Department of Energy Computer Incident Advisory Capability at http://ciac.llnl.gov/ciac/CIACHoaxes.html Symantec Anti Virus Research Center at http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/index.html McAfee Associates Virus Hoax List at http://www.mcafee.com/support/hoax.html Dr. Solomons Hoax Page at http://www.drsolomons.com/vircen/hoax.html The Urban Legends Web Site at http://www.urbanlegends.com Urban Legends Reference Pages at http://www.snopes.com Datafellows Hoax Warnings at http://www.Europe.Datafellows.com/news/hoax.htm The NetSquirrel Urban Legends Combat Kit at http://www.netsquirrel.com/combatkit/index.html As well as the following indexes of Urban Legends sites: http://www.yahoo.com/Society_and_Culture/Mythology_and_Folklore/Urban_Legends/ http://urbanlegends.miningco.com/ Evaluating Internet Research Sources at http://www.sccu.edu/faculty/R_Harris/evalu8it.htm Evaluation of Information Sources at http://www.vuw.ac.nz/~agsmith/evaln/evaln.htm Bibliography on Evaluating Internet Resources at http://refserver.lib.vt.edu/libinst/critTHINK.HTM From simegen-l@simegen.com Wed May 9 19:12:29 2001 From: simegen-l@simegen.com (simegen-l@simegen.com) Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 12:12:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Simegen-L] Interesting facts learned from reading scifi In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Folks, While good science fiction is scattered with interesting tidbits of real science, do remember that not all science fiction writers are well-informed about the subjects of their stories. Also, there are plenty who are willing to discard inconvenient facts if it gets in the way of an interesting plot--Michael Crichton (sp?) is a prime example of this. Jurassic Park is a great read, but anyone who's familiar with the state of the art in DNA cloning can spot some mind-boggling whoppers. There is no attempt to distinguish the solid science from the fantasy, so anyone trying to learn a bit about recombinant DNA technology is well advised to find a more reliable source of information. None of this is intended to spoil anyone's pleasure in reading SF, but do bear in mind that no science presented in a fictional setting should be uncritically accepted as accurate. Mary Lou From simegen-l@simegen.com Sun May 13 02:17:24 2001 From: simegen-l@simegen.com (simegen-l@simegen.com) Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 22:17:24 EDT Subject: [Simegen-L] 'Hitch Hiker's Guide to Galaxy' Author Adams Dies Message-ID: Thought this might be of interest ---- Karen Saturday May 12 3:28 PM ET 'Hitch Hiker's Guide to Galaxy' Author Adams Dies SANTA BARBARA, Calif. (Reuters) - Douglas Adams, the British humor writer whose cult classic ``The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy'' sold more than 14 million copies, died suddenly at his home near this central California city, a spokeswoman said on Saturday. He was 49 years old. Adams, who was married with a 6-year-old daughter, died of a heart attack on Friday, said Sophie Astin, his personal assistant. ``It was a very sudden and unexpected death,'' Astin told Reuters. Adams' science fiction saga, about a group of galactic travelers who survive the demolition of Earth to build a space bypass, began life as a 1978 BBC Radio series. It was turned into a best-selling novel, a TV series, record album, computer game and adapted for stage. It made Adams a household name on both sides of the Atlantic. British author and television personality Stephen Fry was among hundreds of friends and fans who paid tribute to Adams on his official Web site. One message, titled ``DOUGLAS NOOOOOO,'' claimed to be from Ford Prefect, the lead alien character from ``The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy.'' It read: ``Why do the talented ones die young?'' Astin said she had received calls from Adams friends Terry Jones of Monty Python fame and David Gilmour of the rock group Pink Floyd. Adams was working on a new novel and on an online guide, h2g2, inspired by ``The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy,'' at the time of his death. Work is also under way to turn the story into a film. ``He was pretty unique in being innovative in media after media -- from radio to the Web,'' said Ashley Highfield, BBC's head of new media, who was working with Adams on h2g2. ``He was still coming up with more new ideas than almost anyone I've met.'' The ``Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy'' chronicles the journey of Ford Prefect and his human companion, Arthur Dent, after the destruction of Earth. The tale centers on the search for the answer to life and the universe -- which turns out to be 42. The novel has sold more than 14 million copies worldwide and was followed by sequels, ``The Restaurant at the End of the Universe,'' ``Life, the Universe and Everything'' and ``So Long and Thanks for all the Fish.'' While Adams will be remembered for his science fiction, he also worked for the protection of endangered species, which he wrote about in his book ``Last Chance to See.'' Adams was born in Cambridge, England, in March 1952, educated at Brentwood School in Essex and St. John's College, Cambridge, where in 1974 he gained an MA in English Literature. He married Jane Belson in 1991 and had a daughter, Polly, in 1994. Adams worked as a radio and television producer and writer before ``The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy'' changed his life. Geoffrey Perkins, who produced the original radio series and had known Adams for 25 years, called him one of the most creative geniuses to ever work in radio comedy. ``For somebody who was so involved in breakthroughs in new developments in technology, it's a tragedy that he's died before most of the things he's talked about have come about,'' said Perkins, now head of BBC comedy. From simegen-l@simegen.com Sun May 13 13:09:36 2001 From: simegen-l@simegen.com (simegen-l@simegen.com) Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 09:09:36 EDT Subject: [Simegen-L] Kosher Food...in Space Message-ID: <61.e0cb07e.282fe190@aol.com> This was forwarded from my cousin, an Orthodox Rabbi. Karen ============== Keeping kosher to be an out-of-this-world experience By LISA J. HURIASH, South Florida Sun-Sentinel Kosher food is about to boldly go where kosher food has never gone before. In NASA's 40 years flying into space, there have been a few Jewish astronauts - such as Judith Resnick, who died in the Challenger shuttle explosion in 1986, & David Wolf, who just returned from the Endeavour flight. But no one has requested kosher food. Until now. Col. Ilan Ramon, 47, from Tel Aviv, Israel, who is training for a U.S. space shuttle mission devoted to an international research project, will be the first to get a kosher meal in space. "I told them I wanted kosher food, & they told me they'd have to check it out because nobody until today has asked them for kosher food," Ramon said by telephone from Houston, where he has been training at the LBJ Space Center since 1998. Ramon is not particularly religious but realizes that as Israel's first astronaut, "I'm kind of representative of all the Jewish community." Local rabbis were ecstatic when they heard NASA can accommodate Ramon's request. "This is 1 small step for Col. Ramon, but a large step for Jews worldwide," said Rabbi Yossie Denburg of Congregation Chabad Lubavitch in Coral Springs. Ramon, a member of the Israeli air force, is the son of a German immigrant & a mother who survived the Auschwitz concentration camp in Poland. "I'm in contact with a lot of Holocaust organizations & for these people, it's more than a miracle," he said. "After all they've been through, to see an Israeli astronaut, it's very exciting." Kosher is a Hebrew word that means "proper" or "fit," & it is used with food prepared according to Jewish dietary & religious laws. Rules include not mixing meat with milk, no pork or shellfish, meat must come animal that chews its cud & has split hooves such as cows & sheep, & meat must be soaked & salted & the animal must be killed without suffering. That creates a new set of challenges for the space program. Astronauts usually select their food from a wide menu that includes - just to name a few - spaghetti, macaroni & cheese, ham salad spread, salmon, rice, eggs, 9 kinds of cereal, & 5 varieties of pudding. They are also allowed special requests, such as vegetarian meals, or a favorite kind of candy or cracker. To accommodate their first kosher traveler into space, Vickie Kloeris, system manager for food, said NASA contacted My Own Meals, a company in Deerfield, IL that sells certified kosher food in "thermostabilized" sealed pouches actually meant to accommodate campers. The company has also sold kosher food directly to U.S soldiers since 1993, said Joe D'Onofrio, the chief financial officer. The military started buying the kosher food from the company in 1996 for all service members requesting it. But the food, which comes in 8-ounce foil pouches & has a shelf life of more than 3 years, is also perfect for space flight. "He'll warm them & open & eat them in orbit," Kloeris said. Of 10 kosher choices, Ramon picked 5: Florentine lasagna, beef stew, chicken Mediterranean, My Kind of Chicken (which the company describes as chunks of light & dark chicken with brown rice, peas and carrots), & Old World Stew (beef with brown rice, zucchini, pinto beans & flavors of the Middle East), Kloeris said. Ramon will sample them, & if he doesn't like those, he has a few other choices including pasta with garden vegetables & cheese tortellini. "What an unbelievable thing," said Rabbi Moishe Lipszyc, of Chabad Lubavitch of Fort Lauderdale. "Who would have ever thought this in your wildest dreams?" Ramon, whose launch date from Florida has not been scheduled yet but will likely be in 2002, will work with the Americans on a project that will record particles of sand & dust from the desert whose distribution in the atmosphere can affect global cooling & warming. He will also conduct an experiment involving plant seeds that is expected to be closely monitored by an Israeli middle school. Kloeris said cramped quarters aboard the shuttle don't leave enough room to provide Ramon with a total kosher diet. He will have to eat many items. That detail doesn't concern local rabbis. "Whatever he can do is great," Denburg said. "I'm sure he'll eat neutral foods like fruits & vegetables. Copyright 2001 Sun-Sentinel From simegen-l@simegen.com Mon May 14 11:33:26 2001 From: simegen-l@simegen.com (simegen-l@simegen.com) Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 07:33:26 EDT Subject: [Simegen-L] Kosher Food...in Space Message-ID: In a message dated 5/13/01 9:12:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time, KLitman323@aol.com writes: << Kloeris said cramped quarters aboard the shuttle don't leave enough room to provide Ramon with a total kosher diet. He will have to eat many items. >> I don't know the details of the shuttle's design of course, but it looks to me like NASA's not thinking straight. Maybe if they provided everyone on the shuttle with a kosher diet, they could eliminate their storage problem, and provide Ramon with a total kosher diet. From simegen-l@simegen.com Mon May 14 14:38:43 2001 From: simegen-l@simegen.com (Jean Lorrah) Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 09:38:43 -0500 Subject: [Simegen-L] Americans Reading Less Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20010514093843.0089cc50@msumusik.mursuky.edu> >From today's Publisher's Lunch: Americans Reading Less of Everything Aliteracy-in which one is capable of reading, but does not do so-is on the rise, according to this story by Linton Weeks in the Washington Post. He cites a 1999 Gallup Poll finding that 7 percent of us read more than a book a week, and 59 percent read fewer than 10 books a year. And a NDP survey from 199 says that only 45 percent of Americans read anything printed-newspapers, book, magazines-a half-hour or more a day. Weeks explores the implications. Washington Post article http://link.ixs1.net/s/link/click?rc=al&rti=c36421&si=p2170101 Visit my websites, http://www.simegen.com/jean and http://www.jeanlorrah.com NEW BOOK: Nessie and the Living Stone http://www.crossroadspub.com/Nessie.htm WINNER! Independent E-books Award, best children's book. From simegen-l@simegen.com Mon May 14 11:53:06 2001 From: simegen-l@simegen.com (Jean Lorrah) Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 06:53:06 -0500 Subject: [Simegen-L] Kosher Food...in Space Message-ID: <20010514.171245.-481365.1.Jean1@juno.com> On Mon, 14 May 2001 07:33:26 EDT Annpiccolo@aol.com writes: > In a message dated 5/13/01 9:12:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > KLitman323@aol.com writes: > > << Kloeris said cramped quarters aboard the shuttle don't leave > enough room > to provide Ramon with a total kosher diet. He will have to eat > many items. > >> > > I don't know the details of the shuttle's design of course, but it > looks to > me like NASA's not thinking straight. Maybe if they provided > everyone on the > shuttle with a kosher diet, they could eliminate their storage > problem, and > provide Ramon with a total kosher diet. At first thought that seems like a good idea, but it sets a precedent that at some future time could result in the entire crew having a diet that was kosher, beef-free, salt-free, fat free, vegetarian, lactose free, and peanut-product free, in order to cater to the dietary requirements of the entire crew with a single set of meals. Jean Jean Lorrah, jean1@juno.com http://www.jeanlorrah.com NEW BOOK: Nessie and the Living Stone by Lois Wickstrom and Jean Lorrah WINNER, Independent E-book Award. http://www.nessiebook.com From simegen-l@simegen.com Mon May 14 22:33:17 2001 From: simegen-l@simegen.com (simegen-l@simegen.com) Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 08:33:17 +1000 Subject: [Simegen-L] Kosher Food...in Space References: <20010514.171245.-481365.1.Jean1@juno.com> Message-ID: <3B005D2D.60801@simegen.com> Jean Lorrah wrote: > At first thought that seems like a good idea, but it sets a precedent > that at some future time could result in the entire crew having a diet > that was kosher, beef-free, salt-free, fat free, vegetarian, lactose > free, and peanut-product free, in order to cater to the dietary > requirements of the entire crew with a single set of meals. And halal. Add seafood-free and gluten-free, for other common intolerances. But what would they do when they got two people on board, one of whom needed something that the other couldn't tolerate? Jenn V. -- "Do you ever wonder if there's a whole section of geek culture you miss out on by being a geek?" - Dancer. jenn@simegen.com Jenn Vesperman http://www.simegen.com/~jenn/ From simegen-l@simegen.com Mon May 14 23:40:58 2001 From: simegen-l@simegen.com (simegen-l@simegen.com) Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 19:40:58 EDT Subject: [Simegen-L] Kosher Food...in Space Message-ID: << At first thought that seems like a good idea, but it sets a precedent that at some future time could result in the entire crew having a diet that was kosher, beef-free, salt-free, fat free, vegetarian, lactose free, and peanut-product free, in order to cater to the dietary requirements of the entire crew with a single set of meals. Jean >> If you read the original news article again, I think I know WHY NASA might not want to restrict everyone to a Kosher diet. There is only one source (apparently) for the pre-packaged Kosher meals. That would eliminate whatever OTHER contractors NASA already has to supply their non-Kosher pre-packaged meals, and whatever other food provisions they include. I don't think eliminating the other contractors will sit well with those providers being eliminated. and NASA needs all the positive support they can get. Karen From simegen-l@simegen.com Mon May 14 23:42:54 2001 From: simegen-l@simegen.com (simegen-l@simegen.com) Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 19:42:54 EDT Subject: [Simegen-L] Kosher Food...in Space Message-ID: In a message dated 05/14/2001 6:35:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jenn@simegen.com writes: << And halal. Add seafood-free and gluten-free, for other common intolerances. But what would they do when they got two people on board, one of whom needed something that the other couldn't tolerate? Jenn V. -- >> Does this vaguely give anyone the idea of Simes and Gens in "future" space? What each can and can not tolerate? Bad Karen! (not) From simegen-l@simegen.com Tue May 15 00:03:20 2001 From: simegen-l@simegen.com (Netdancer) Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 19:03:20 -0500 Subject: [Simegen-L] Kosher Food...in Space In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20010514190320.007b6210@pop.mindspring.com> At 07:42 PM 5/14/01 EDT, you wrote: >Does this vaguely give anyone the idea of Simes and Gens in "future" space? >What each can and can not tolerate? >Bad Karen! (not) I was just thinking that. How would one get around it? More hydroponics? Better syntetic foods? I'm not sure where the sciences related to producing food in space would be in that timeline, but I'd be guessing on 'hydroponics' a lot.. Ken From simegen-l@simegen.com Tue May 15 00:50:29 2001 From: simegen-l@simegen.com (simegen-l@simegen.com) Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 20:50:29 EDT Subject: [Simegen-L] Americans Reading Less Message-ID: <59.b0207f4.2831d755@aol.com> I read with interest the article on aliteracy (as opposed to illiteracy) As background, I come from a very bookish family. Growing up we were continually running out of shelf space for the family collection. Every one of my siblings owns several thousand volumes apiece, ranging across just about every imaginable subject. My nieces and nephews on my side of the family all devour books. I usually get through 3 books a week, and while on vacation I might plow through one a day. Needless to say, I do not fit the definition of "aliterate". My husband, however, does. My husband does not, and has not, read for pleasure for over 20 years. It's not a lack of time. He just doesn't enjoy reading. He DOES read for information and happily trudges through highly technical books, magazines, and journals. But when he wants entertainment he watches videos or listens to CDs or tries to find something on TV. And for the life of me, I can't find anything wrong with that. I mean, I detest math - I don't enjoy it and avoid doing it although I am quite competant in mathematics when I need to be, such as calculating weight and balance for an aircraft and making navigational computations (an area where accuracy counts). I just don't do math for fun. Ever. My husband - HE does math for fun, he enoys it. I will note one very important difference between my husband the aliterate and those mentioned in the article. The aliterates in the article seem to go out of their way to avoid reading under any circumstances. My husband acknowledges that reading has a place and will sit down and tackle a 300 (or more) page technical volume if that's the most expediant way to get the information he needs, without skimming or shortcuts. My husband and I have both learned important skills (reading and math) that we just don't care to do for amusement, but we do very competantly when the need arises. I don't think everyone NEEDS to be a "for fun" reader. I also was a little annoyed at the literature that seemed to be promoted as "great cultural stuff". I don't read Jane Austen because I don't care for her style and genre. Ditto Earnest Hemmingway. I've tried both - they were required reading in school - but I'll never open one of their books again of my own choice. I read avidly but the impression I got from the article was that the reading I do wasn't somehow "cultural" enough. Well, there's more to our culture than just the 19th Century authors, Dostoyevsky, Hemmingway, and Faulkner. I read science fiction, science fact, occult, the occassional mystery, adventures real and fictional, much much history, aviation (adventures and how-to), myths, news magazines, and can often be found wandering in library stacks reading whatever I stumble across, from Japanese architecture to books of how to make lace to books about the care, upkeep and repair of small engines..... and it's all part of our culture, or someone else's culture, even if it isn't the "Great American Novel". I derieve as much pleasure reading about the evidence of proto-human technology (_Making Silent Stones Speak_) or the settlement of Australia by people of European descent (_The Fatal Shore_ - OK, that one isn't all pleasure...) as I do reading _One Day in the Life of Ivan Denosovitch_ or _Slaughterhouse Five_ or any of the adventures of Sherlock Holmes. So - if a person can read in a competant manner, but chooses not to do so for pleasure - is that really so terrible given all the alternate modes of acquiring information available today? Are books on tape really that terrible? If we read aloud to children what, pray tell, is inherently wrong with adults being read aloud to, which is basically what a book on tape is? Yes, there are some horrible versions of literature-to-movie out there, but some literature such as Shakespeare was actually never intended to be read on paper - it's meant to be SEEN, in a theater. There are excellent movie versions of Shakespeare as well as wretched ones. Sherlock Holmes was supposed to be read, but I've seen some TV adaptations that I enjoyed every bit as much as the written stories. There are books I never would have read if I hadn't seen the movie first. Yes, every child should be taught to read. Every adult in society (barring those with disabilities) should be able to read at a certain level. But I don't see the need to insist that everyone enjoy reading because not everyone does. You can't "teach" someone to enjoy something they don't enjoy. No one is ever going to teach me to enjoy math, and no one will ever teach my husband to enjoy reading. Is this really a tragedy? Part of being adult is being allowed to choose what you do and don't do with your time. >---Broomstick--- Any Day Above Ground is a Good Day From simegen-l@simegen.com Tue May 15 01:09:28 2001 From: simegen-l@simegen.com (Tony Zbaraschuk) Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 18:09:28 -0700 Subject: [Simegen-L] Kosher Food...in Space In-Reply-To: ; from KLitman323@aol.com on Mon, May 14, 2001 at 07:40:58PM -0400 References: Message-ID: <20010514180928.A10449@eskimo.eskimo.com> On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 07:40:58PM -0400, KLitman323@aol.com wrote: > If you read the original news article again, I think I know WHY NASA might > not want to restrict everyone to a Kosher diet. > > There is only one source (apparently) for the pre-packaged Kosher meals. > > That would eliminate whatever OTHER contractors NASA already has to supply > their non-Kosher pre-packaged meals, and whatever other food provisions they > include. > > I don't think eliminating the other contractors will sit well with those > providers being eliminated. and NASA needs all the positive support > they can get. Not to mention that it's reasonably good practice not to single-source unless absolutely necessary -- you want to be able to get your supplies even if one source goes bankrupt, or crazy, or just charges higher prices than you're willing to pay... Tony Z -- "The King with half the East at heel is marched from lands of morning; His fighters drink the rivers up, their shafts benight the air, And he that stays will die for naught, and home there's no returning." The Spartans on the sea-wet rock sat down and combed their hair.--A.E. Housman From simegen-l@simegen.com Tue May 15 10:27:05 2001 From: simegen-l@simegen.com (simegen-l@simegen.com) Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 06:27:05 EDT Subject: [Simegen-L] Re: Hoax Message-ID: Oh, for goodness sake...when will I learn? Sorry about that, folks. Pax. Janice From simegen-l@simegen.com Tue May 15 10:50:54 2001 From: simegen-l@simegen.com (John Cowan) Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 06:50:54 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Simegen-L] Kosher Food...in Space In-Reply-To: <3B005D2D.60801@simegen.com> from "jenn@simegen.com" at "May 15, 2001 08:33:17 am" Message-ID: jenn@simegen.com scripsit: > And halal. Add seafood-free and gluten-free, for other common > intolerances. Everything that is kosher is necessarily halal as well, no? -- John Cowan cowan@ccil.org One art/there is/no less/no more/All things/to do/with sparks/galore --Douglas Hofstadter From simegen-l@simegen.com Tue May 15 12:16:27 2001 From: simegen-l@simegen.com (simegen-l@simegen.com) Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 22:16:27 +1000 Subject: [Simegen-L] Kosher Food...in Space References: Message-ID: <3B011E1B.2050300@simegen.com> John Cowan wrote: > jenn@simegen.com scripsit: > >> And halal. Add seafood-free and gluten-free, for other common >> intolerances. > > Everything that is kosher is necessarily halal as well, no? Actually, no. Not according to the web sites I checked when I first heard of the word. The rules are different, apparently. Kosher is just used sometimes because it's *less* haram than - say - the sorts of foods people like me (neither Jewish nor Muslim) eat. Jenn V. -- "Do you ever wonder if there's a whole section of geek culture you miss out on by being a geek?" - Dancer. jenn@simegen.com Jenn Vesperman http://www.simegen.com/~jenn/ From simegen-l@simegen.com Tue May 15 14:13:14 2001 From: simegen-l@simegen.com (John Cowan) Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 10:13:14 -0400 Subject: [Simegen-L] Kosher Food...in Space References: <3B011E1B.2050300@simegen.com> Message-ID: <3B01397A.6040507@reutershealth.com> jenn@simegen.com wrote: >> Everything that is kosher is necessarily halal as well, no? > > Actually, no. Not according to the web sites I checked when I > first heard of the word. It seems to me that it would be possible to have meat slaughtered in such a way that it was both kosher and halal. Anything non-meat that is kosher seems clearly to be halal, though not vice versa. -- There is / one art || John Cowan no more / no less || http://www.reutershealth.com to do / all things || http://www.ccil.org/~cowan with art- / lessness \\ -- Piet Hein From simegen-l@simegen.com Tue May 15 14:58:05 2001 From: simegen-l@simegen.com (simegen-l@simegen.com) Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 10:58:05 -0400 Subject: [Simegen-L] Re: Americans Reading Less Message-ID: Be careful ascribing causes, too, for this aliteracy. I was raised in a bookish academic family which went through periods of "ban the evil television set" (for years at a time). I'm literate and well read and read for pleasure. My best friend watched countless hours of television, educational and otherwise. (mostly otherwise .. and yes.. "Gilligan's Island" too!)She's very literate, well read, reads for pleasure and writes professionally. People learn and process information very differently, including the information that makes up our culture. I think what matters most is fully engaging the material and mastering it in the manner of picking up the vernacular. My friend and her sister mastered script-writing from their experience, for example. Who gets to pick what is "cultured" is interesting too... after all the folks who first starting quoting Shakespeare were repeating what they saw in the media of the time (a la Seinfield, as pointed out previously).... simegen-l@simegen.com wrote: > I read with interest the article on aliteracy (as opposed to illiteracy) As background, I come from a very bookish family. Growing up we were continually running out of shelf space for the family collection. Every one of my siblings owns several thousand volumes apiece, ranging across just about every imaginable subject. My nieces and nephews on my side of the family all devour books. I usually get through 3 books a week, and while on vacation I might plow through one a day. Needless to say, I do not fit the definition of "aliterate". My husband, however, does. My husband does not, and has not, read for pleasure for over 20 years. It's not a lack of time. He just doesn't enjoy reading. He DOES read for information and happily trudges through highly technical books, magazines, and journals. But when he wants entertainment he watches videos or listens to CDs or tries to find something on TV. And for the life of me, I can't find anything wrong with that. I mean, I detest math - I don't enjoy it and avoid doing it although I am quite competant in mathematics when I need to be, such as calculating weight and balance for an aircraft and making navigational computations (an area where accuracy counts). I just don't do math for fun. Ever. My husband - HE does math for fun, he enoys it. I will note one very important difference between my husband the aliterate and those mentioned in the article. The aliterates in the article seem to go out of their way to avoid reading under any circumstances. My husband acknowledges that reading has a place and will sit down and tackle a 300 (or more) page technical volume if that's the most expediant way to get the information he needs, without skimming or shortcuts. My husband and I have both learned important skills (reading and math) that we just don't care to do for amusement, but we do very competantly when the need arises. I don't think everyone NEEDS to be a "for fun" reader. I also was a little annoyed at the literature that seemed to be promoted as "great cultural stuff". I don't read Jane Austen because I don't care for her style and genre. Ditto Earnest Hemmingway. I've tried both - they were required reading in school - but I'll never open one of their books again of my own choice. I read avidly but the impression I got from the article was that the reading I do wasn't somehow "cultural" enough. Well, there's more to our culture than just the 19th Century authors, Dostoyevsky, Hemmingway, and Faulkner. I read science fiction, science fact, occult, the occassional mystery, adventures real and fictional, much much history, aviation (adventures and how-to), myths, news magazines, and can often be found wandering in library stacks reading whatever I stumble across, from Japanese architecture to books of how to make lace to books about the care, upkeep and repair of small engines..... and it's all part of our culture, or someone else's culture, even if it isn't the "Great American Novel". I derieve as much pleasure reading about the evidence of proto-human technology (_Making Silent Stones Speak_) or the settlement of Australia by people of European descent (_The Fatal Shore_ - OK, that one isn't all pleasure...) as I do reading _One Day in the Life of Ivan Denosovitch_ or _Slaughterhouse Five_ or any of the adventures of Sherlock Holmes. So - if a person can read in a competant manner, but chooses not to do so for pleasure - is that really so terrible given all the alternate modes of acquiring information available today? Are books on tape really that terrible? If we read aloud to children what, pray tell, is inherently wrong with adults being read aloud to, which is basically what a book on tape is? Yes, there are some horrible versions of literature-to-movie out there, but some literature such as Shakespeare was actually never intended to be read on paper - it's meant to be SEEN, in a theater. There are excellent movie versions of Shakespeare as well as wretched ones. Sherlock Holmes was supposed to be read, but I've seen some TV adaptations that I enjoyed every bit as much as the written stories. There are books I never would have read if I hadn't seen the movie first. Yes, every child should be taught to read. Every adult in society (barring those with disabilities) should be able to read at a certain level. But I don't see the need to insist that everyone enjoy reading because not everyone does. You can't "teach" someone to enjoy something they don't enjoy. No one is ever going to teach me to enjoy math, and no one will ever teach my husband to enjoy reading. Is this really a tragedy? Part of being adult is being allowed to choose what you do and don't do with your time. >---Broomstick--- Any Day Above Ground is a Good Day _______________________________________________ Simegen-L mailing list Simegen-L@simegen.com http://www.simegen.com/mailman/listinfo/simegen-l From simegen-l@simegen.com Tue May 15 15:45:04 2001 From: simegen-l@simegen.com (Katherine Rylien) Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 11:45:04 -0400 Subject: [Simegen-L] Re: Americans Reading Less References: Message-ID: <3B014F00.C953F7AB@ic.net> pmnewcomb@mindspring.com wrote: > avoid doing it although I am quite competant in mathematics when I need to > be, such as calculating weight and balance for an aircraft and making > navigational computations (an area where accuracy counts). I just don't do > math for fun. Ever. My husband - HE does math for fun, he enoys it. Hey, a fellow aviation enthusuast! Professional or amateur, just out of curiosity? (I have decided there is no such thing as "off-topic" on this list...!) I'm an instrument-rated private pilot, if anyone wants to talk planes... > >---Broomstick--- > Any Day Above Ground is a Good Day Preferably quite a ways above--now that's a REALLY good day ;-) --Katherine From simegen-l@simegen.com Tue May 15 17:47:42 2001 From: simegen-l@simegen.com (simegen-l@simegen.com) Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 13:47:42 EDT Subject: [Simegen-L] Didn't get Library of Congress Message-ID: Just a qick note to tell everyone on the list that I was turned down for the Library of Congress position. I just recently heard. Karen From simegen-l@simegen.com Wed May 16 02:57:50 2001 From: simegen-l@simegen.com (simegen-l@simegen.com) Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 22:57:50 -0400 Subject: [Simegen-L] Didn't get Library of Congress In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3B01B46E.31751.1B0DDA5@localhost> Bummer. Sorry to hear it. > Just a qick note to tell everyone on the list that I was turned down for the > Library of Congress position. I just recently heard. > > Karen > > _______________________________________________ > Simegen-L mailing list > Simegen-L@simegen.com > http://www.simegen.com/mailman/listinfo/simegen-l -- Viable Paradise Writers' Workshop http://www.sff.net/paradise From simegen-l@simegen.com Wed May 16 04:12:19 2001 From: simegen-l@simegen.com (simegen-l@simegen.com) Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 00:12:19 EDT Subject: [Simegen-L] Didn't get Library of Congress Message-ID: << Bummer. Sorry to hear it. >> Thanks. Something is out there for me. This job was probably not intended for me. There must be one with my name on it. We just haven't found each other yet. The Powers that run this Universe have something in mind. I just have to keep searching. Karen Karen From simegen-l@simegen.com Wed May 16 13:05:13 2001 From: simegen-l@simegen.com (Jean Lorrah) Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 08:05:13 -0500 Subject: [Simegen-L] Re: Americans Reading Less Message-ID: <20010516.080519.-294365.1.Jean1@juno.com> On Tue, 15 May 2001 10:58:05 -0400 pmnewcomb@mindspring.com writes: > Be careful ascribing causes, too, for this aliteracy. I was raised in > a bookish academic family which went through periods of "ban the > evil television set" (for years at a time). I'm literate and well > read and read for pleasure. While we didn't get a television set until I was 13, when we did I became an instant video addict and have remained one to this day. I also read for pleasure, and hate the trend to unhelpful help screens instead of nice clear print manuals. I have a Ph.D. in Medieval British Literature, am a professor of English, and have published sixteen novels with two more under contract. So much for television keeping people from reading and writing. I own three TV sets and VCRs and have been involved in media fandom since it all began with Classic Trek. > People learn and process information very differently, including the > information that makes up our culture. I think what matters most is > fully engaging the material and mastering it in the manner of > picking up the vernacular. My friend and her sister mastered > script-writing from their experience, for example. Absolutely. There are going to be people who will read and write for pleasure no matter what. > Who gets to pick what is "cultured" is interesting too... after all > the folks who first starting quoting Shakespeare were repeating what > they saw in the media of the time (a la Seinfield, as pointed out > previously).... This is absolutely correct too. Opera was originally pop culture. Oedipus Rex originated as mass entertainment, for goodness' sake! Our grandchildren will regard Beatles music as classical music. AAMOF, I find that my students all tend to know and like the Beatles, Floyd, Zeppelin, the Stones, etc. and see classic rock as fundamental music the way we now regard Vonnegut and Ginsberg and Tolkein as fundamental literature. The best art (which is not necessarily the most popular, but popularity does not necessarily mean it is lacking in the possibility to survive) of each generation survives and becomes part of the fundamental canon of that art form. Perhaps we should regard aliteracy this way: not everyone uses music for pleasure, not everyone uses painting or sculpture for pleasure, not everyone uses drama for pleasure--so why should everyone be expected to use literature for pleasure? Jean Jean Lorrah, jean1@juno.com http://www.jeanlorrah.com NEW BOOK: Nessie and the Living Stone by Lois Wickstrom and Jean Lorrah WINNER, Independent E-book Award. http://www.nessiebook.com From simegen-l@simegen.com Wed May 16 14:43:13 2001 From: simegen-l@simegen.com (simegen-l@simegen.com) Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 10:43:13 EDT Subject: [Simegen-L] Verified WARNING -- Worm Masquerades as Notice From Symantec! MUST READ Message-ID: I received this off another list I am on, and it is a REAL virus warning. Go check it out. Karen << A new worm masquerades as a virus warning directly from Symantec (makers of Norton Anti-virus software, which I use). It spreads via Microsoft Outlook. Read all about it! What it is, and what to do about it... (Link is to Symantec site -- verified) http://www.sarc.com/avcenter/venc/data/vbs.hard.a@mm.html >> From simegen-l@simegen.com Wed May 16 15:21:59 2001 From: simegen-l@simegen.com (simegen-l@simegen.com) Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 01:21:59 +1000 Subject: [Simegen-L] Re: Americans Reading Less References: <20010516.080519.-294365.1.Jean1@juno.com> Message-ID: <3B029B17.6030508@simegen.com> Jean Lorrah wrote: > While we didn't get a television set until I was 13, when we did I became > an instant video addict and have remained one to this day. I seem to be weird. I can't _stand_ TV or film as a medium. The medium seriously puts me off, the same way that text/books as a medium apparently puts many people off. I can tolerate the medium on occasion, but when I'm tired or stressed I can't tolerate having a TV on in the same room. Jenn V. -- "Do you ever wonder if there's a whole section of geek culture you miss out on by being a geek?" - Dancer. jenn@simegen.com Jenn Vesperman http://www.simegen.com/~jenn/ From simegen-l@simegen.com Wed May 16 16:10:27 2001 From: simegen-l@simegen.com (simegen-l@simegen.com) Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 12:10:27 EDT Subject: [Simegen-L] OT - New Telephone Scam Message-ID: <3a.14fb6e5a.28340073@aol.com> --part1_3a.14fb6e5a.28340073_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You will probably be hearing about this on television or in the newspapers shortly but I thought I'd give all of you a heads up on it. I just received a press releases from several police departments: This information has been released to the police throughout the US by AT&T and Verizon. There is a telephone scam which has been causing a great deal of havoc throughout the country. This scam has been recognized by the National Fraud Information Center. A person will receive a message on one's answering machine, e-mail or pager prompting them to call a number which begins with the area-code prefix of (809). There are a variety of reasons that prompt the individual to call the number. Some messages left in the past have been to receive information about a sick or decesed family member or information about being the winner of a prize. The person is instructed to call the number with the (809) area code right away. What the caller is unaware of is the (809) area code is located in the British Virgin Islands. It is that region's version of the (900) "pay per call" telephone service. When the number is called you generally receive a recorded message telling you to stay on the line. What the caller is not advised is that you can be billed at a rate of $2,425.00 per minute for the phone call. You will find these charges on your monthly phone bill from your local and/or long distance telephone carrier. These services are not covered by United State regulations which require the caller to be notified of charges and rates prior to the call. You are not able to block these calls as you are with (900) numbers. It is very difficult to fight these charges once you are billed because the U.S. local/long distance providers are just doing the billing for the foreign company. It is also difficult to dispute the charges with the foreign company because you did actually make the call and they have done nothing wrong as per their regulations. There is no information regarding the names of the foreign companies involved so the police are informing everyone to be wary of any e-mails, telephone calls or pages which request you to call the (809) code. There are no criminal charges which can be pressed or police involvment necessary if you do receive such a message. Police departments suggest you either disregard the message or investigate its origin more carefully before getting involved. This following is not on the news release but it is very easy to check out where an area code originates. You can either just call an operator and ask or you can do it with the reverse directory at reversephonedirectory.com Readya, Anne The shortest distance between two points is a complete understanding of the Cabbalah. --part1_3a.14fb6e5a.28340073_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You will probably be hearing about this on television or in the newspapers
shortly but I thought I'd give all of you a heads up on it.

I just received a press releases from several police departments:

This information has been released to the police throughout the US by AT&T
and Verizon. There is a telephone scam which has been causing a great deal of
havoc throughout the country.

This scam has been recognized by the National Fraud Information Center.

A person will receive a message on one's answering machine, e-mail or pager
prompting them to call a number which begins with the area-code prefix of
(809). There are a variety of reasons that prompt the individual to call the
number. Some messages left in the past have been to receive information about
a sick or decesed family member or information about being the winner of a
prize. The person is instructed to call the number with the (809) area code
right away.

What the caller is unaware of is the (809) area code is located in the
British Virgin Islands. It is that region's version of the (900) "pay per
call" telephone service. When the number is called you generally receive a
recorded message telling you to stay on the line. What the caller is not
advised is that you can be billed at a rate of $2,425.00 per minute for the
phone call. You will find these charges on your monthly phone bill from your
local and/or long distance telephone carrier.

These services are not covered by United State regulations which require the
caller to be notified of charges and rates prior to the call. You are not
able to block these calls as you are with (900) numbers. It is very difficult
to fight these charges once you are billed because the U.S. local/long
distance providers are just doing the billing for the foreign company. It is
also difficult to dispute the charges with the foreign company because you
did actually make the call and they have done nothing wrong as per their
regulations.

There is no information regarding the names of the foreign companies involved
so the police are informing everyone to be wary of any e-mails, telephone
calls or pages which request you to call the (809) code. There are no
criminal charges which can be pressed or police involvment necessary if you
do receive such a message.

Police departments suggest you either disregard the message or investigate
its origin more carefully before getting involved.

This following is not on the news release but it is very easy to check out
where an area code originates. You can either just call an operator and ask
or you can do it with the reverse directory at reversephonedirectory.com

Readya,
Anne

The shortest distance between two points is a complete understanding of the
Cabbalah. --part1_3a.14fb6e5a.28340073_boundary-- From simegen-l@simegen.com Wed May 16 16:50:31 2001 From: simegen-l@simegen.com (Netdancer) Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 11:50:31 -0500 Subject: [Simegen-L] Ebook publisher of possible interest Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20010516115031.00799db0@pop.mindspring.com> Hi all! I ran across this in my online wanderings, and it -looks- interesting enough to merit poking at it. Basically a online vanity press that converts manuscripts to e-book format. It -looks- like a good idea to me, but I may be missing loopholes in how they operate. http://www.ebookomatic.net/ Netdancer From simegen-l@simegen.com Wed May 16 17:23:47 2001 From: simegen-l@simegen.com (simegen-l@simegen.com) Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 13:23:47 EDT Subject: [Simegen-L] Re: Americans Reading Less Message-ID: << Jean Lorrah wrote: > While we didn't get a television set until I was 13, when we did I became > an instant video addict and have remained one to this day. >> I've been without a TV for almost a year now, and I truly don't miss it. I know a TV was in my home by the time I was three. The only things I see a TV might be useful for is the news, and the weather, both of which I can get on the web. I refuse to pay for cable, and where I am there is no TV reception without it. The TV I have..... I do miss my video collection, which Bruce took. I'd be most unhappy if the following three things were missing -- and not written in order of importance: My books My recordings and a means to play them -- I've always enjoyed music, too. My computer Karen From simegen-l@simegen.com Wed May 16 17:34:57 2001 From: simegen-l@simegen.com (simegen-l@simegen.com) Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 10:34:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Simegen-L] Kosher Food...in Space In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 15 May 2001, John Cowan wrote: > > > And halal. Add seafood-free and gluten-free, for other common > > intolerances. > > Everything that is kosher is necessarily halal as well, no? I don't think this is so. At least with meat, although many of the restrictions on species and slaughtering are similar, I believe the religion of the person doing the slaughtering is also critical, at least for hillal. Mary Lou From simegen-l@simegen.com Wed May 16 17:36:00 2001 From: simegen-l@simegen.com (Kiri Aradia Morgan) Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 10:36:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Simegen-L] Re: Americans Reading Less In-Reply-To: <20010516.080519.-294365.1.Jean1@juno.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 16 May 2001, Jean Lorrah wrote: > While we didn't get a television set until I was 13, when we did I became > an instant video addict and have remained one to this day. I also read > for pleasure, and hate the trend to unhelpful help screens instead of > nice clear print manuals. I have a Ph.D. in Medieval British Literature, > am a professor of English, and have published sixteen novels with two > more under contract. > > So much for television keeping people from reading and writing. I own > three TV sets and VCRs and have been involved in media fandom since it > all began with Classic Trek. There's a lot of snobbery in the world, frankly. People who have unusual tastes and who have been picked on sometimes compensate by declaring that the things they like are in some way superior than the things that other people like (that most people like) and that they themselves are superior for making those choices. I have no issue with the idea that different people have different tastes, but when they make a moral issue out of it or decide that those who like popular media are in some way "less than", I find it EXTREMELY unattractive. *Most* of the people I know who claim to hate TV and think TV makes you stupid are people I don't like very much, because they are annoying in their presupposition of superiority. If TV bothers *you* and you personally don't like it, I have no problem with that, but if you think that there is something wrong with *me* because I do enjoy TV sometimes, I think you need to get a life. As someone who likes words, I really like rap. I also grew up around country music and often enjoy it. I get so annoyed when people who claim to be "intellectual" claim to like "just about all types of music, except for Rap and Country, OF COURSE," as if no intelligent person could possibly like either. ARGH! this pisses me off immeasurably! and I get it from people in fandom all the time. I personally think a lot of it has to do with discomfort with urban blacks and poor whites and is a knee-jerk reaction. The "misogynistic lyrics" argument does not wash with me because misogynistic lyrics exist in rock, jazz, blues, folk and probably every other type of music that has lyrics-- misogyny is a social problem in just about every culture there is. People who love the Rolling Stones and are rocking out to "Brown Sugar" and "Under My Thumb" have no business bitching about Eminem. (I love telling these people, who are usually baby boomers, that I was a child when they were teenagers and they sound exactly like their parents did back then.) > > Who gets to pick what is "cultured" is interesting too... after all > > the folks who first starting quoting Shakespeare were repeating what > > they saw in the media of the time (a la Seinfield, as pointed out > > previously).... > > This is absolutely correct too. Opera was originally pop culture. Yes, and it gives me headaches, just like TV bothers Jenn, but there are people who would interpret this as a sign that Jenn is cultured and I'm not. And also, I am annoyed with people who think incomprehensibility is a sign of greatness. I was once marked down in graduate school because my professor said that anyone on the planet could read my papers and you didn't need to be a historian to understand my historical writing. For some reason, this is bad. I always thought that the more clear your writing was, the better it was, generally. I find this so annoying. > Perhaps we should regard aliteracy this way: not everyone uses music > for pleasure, not everyone uses painting or sculpture for pleasure, > not everyone uses drama for pleasure--so why should everyone be > expected to use literature for pleasure? I think what people find alarming is the rapid downward trend. I find that alarming too. But people are not necessarily not reading just because they are not reading "books". And really, _Hamlet_ was intended to be watched, not read. I've never enjoyed reading plays or scripts; I like to read novels and watch plays, and mostly, I'd rather listen to poetry than read it, unless it's the sort of poetry that is meant to be looked at rather than listened to. Which is why I like rap. Kiri ^_^ ****************************************************************************** Kiri Aradia Morgan 93! Thou Art God tiamat@tsoft.com "If time passes, everything turns into beauty If the rains stop, tears clean the scars of memory away Everything starts wearing fresh colors Every sound begins playing a heartfelt melody Jealousy embellishes a page of the epic Desire is embraced in a dream..." -- X-JAPAN From simegen-l@simegen.com Wed May 16 17:36:28 2001 From: simegen-l@simegen.com (simegen-l@simegen.com) Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 13:36:28 -0400 Subject: [Simegen-L] Ebook publisher of possible interest In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20010516115031.00799db0@pop.mindspring.com> Message-ID: <3B02825C.32621.4D566CE@localhost> > Hi all! > > I ran across this in my online wanderings, and it -looks- interesting > enough to merit poking at it. Basically a online vanity press that converts > manuscripts to e-book format. It -looks- like a good idea to me, but I may > be missing loopholes in how they operate. > They're charging you fifty bucks, which you'll never see again. You can expect approximately zero readers. If your book is worth publishing, why throw it away? Money flows _toward_ the author. > http://www.ebookomatic.net/ > > Netdancer > > _______________________________________________ > Simegen-L mailing list > Simegen-L@simegen.com > http://www.simegen.com/mailman/listinfo/simegen-l -- Viable Paradise Writers' Workshop http://www.sff.net/paradise From simegen-l@simegen.com Wed May 16 18:10:49 2001 From: simegen-l@simegen.com (Valerie Goldstein) Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 13:10:49 -0500 Subject: [Simegen-L] I guess I'm the last to know Message-ID: As a lurker I guess I'm the last to know these things. I've been checking the Secret Pens on and off for awhile but haven't been able to get through. Is it my browser? VAL From simegen-l@simegen.com Wed May 16 19:25:21 2001 From: simegen-l@simegen.com (simegen-l@simegen.com) Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 15:25:21 -0400 Subject: [Simegen-L] I guess I'm the last to know Message-ID: <3069320015316192521609@vnet.net> Heyo! No, its been down for a while. Kaas is working on it. Don't want to jostle her elbow and make it take longer. Ann Marie /waving hi to Kaas, if she's out there reading this/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Valerie Goldstein Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 2:10:49 PM To: Subject: [Simegen-L] I guess I'm the last to know > > As a lurker I guess I'm the last to know these things. I've been checking > the Secret Pens on and off for awhile but haven't been able to get through. > Is it my browser? > > VAL > > _______________________________________________ > Simegen-L mailing list > Simegen-L@simegen.com > http://www.simegen.com/mailman/listinfo/simegen-l From simegen-l@simegen.com Wed May 16 19:43:55 2001 From: simegen-l@simegen.com (simegen-l@simegen.com) Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 15:43:55 EDT Subject: [Simegen-L] Secret Pens..... Message-ID: << As a lurker I guess I'm the last to know these things. I've been checking the Secret Pens on and off for awhile but haven't been able to get through. Is it my browser? VAL >> You're not the only one. I think their server is down. Others have asked me about it. Secret Pens runs separately from anything Simegen.com operates. Mary Lou would likely know the answer. Secret Pens seems to have been among the missing for awhile now. Karen From simegen-l@simegen.com Wed May 16 20:51:58 2001 From: simegen-l@simegen.com (simegen-l@simegen.com) Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 16:51:58 -0400 Subject: [Simegen-L] Kosher Food...in Space Message-ID: <2317720015316205158640@vnet.net> Hello, > I don't think this is so. At least with meat, although many of the > restrictions on species and slaughtering are similar, The basics ... http://islamicity.com/Mosque/uiatm/un_islam.htm#WAF No pork and no alcohol, for those who don't want to look it up. > I believe the > religion of the person doing the slaughtering is also critical, at least > for hillal. Halal is literally 'permissable', it also applies to financial matters. (Money lending for profit is absolutely forbidden in Islam.) Under Shari'a, there are numerous customs regarding the slaughtering of animals, and also when certain animals may be eaten, but Islam is not like Judaism in the hard and fast dietary laws. Even the prohibition on alcohol is debated. (as it is not defined in the Sunnah, whereas the prohibition on pork is explicit) So yes, if it is kosher and non-alcoholic, it is acceptable to be eaten, even though it is not halal. *shrug* http://www.islam.org Ann Marie /can't find the Shari'a sections, even though I remember seeing them. I think it was on Saudi Arabia's main site/ From simegen-l@simegen.com Wed May 16 23:29:19 2001 From: simegen-l@simegen.com (simegen-l@simegen.com) Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 09:29:19 +1000 Subject: [Simegen-L] Re: Americans Reading Less References: Message-ID: <3B030D4F.8020602@simegen.com> Kiri Aradia Morgan wrote: >> This is absolutely correct too. Opera was originally pop culture. > > Yes, and it gives me headaches, just like TV bothers Jenn, but there are > people who would interpret this as a sign that Jenn is cultured and I'm > not. Heh. Whereas I feel that I *miss* a lot of our culture because I just can't stand to watch it. I wouldn't know Seinfeld even existed if not for the fuss made about it in other media. I've never seen The Matrix and probably will only when Dancer sits me down with a DVD of it and lets me 'see' it with the director's-explanation-track and subtitles... (For some reason, I can tolerate it in that format much better than in the format it's supposed to be seen in.) For some reason, animation bothers me less than live action. Which instantly makes me 'unsophisticated' again. Heh. > And also, I am annoyed with people who think incomprehensibility is > a sign of greatness. I was once marked down in graduate school because my > professor said that anyone on the planet could read my papers and you > didn't need to be a historian to understand my historical writing. For > some reason, this is bad. I always thought that the more clear your > writing was, the better it was, generally. Gah. Good writing is clear. It might be densely packed, it might contain technical terms, it might be aimed at a technical audience, but /it should be clear to its audience/. If it's also clear to other audiences, that's a *bonus* not a flaw. Your professor should be taken out and made to read all three volumes of Knuth's 'The Art Of Computer Programming'. And graded on it. (BTW: those books are VERY densely packed, and contain masses of technical terms. They're clear to me .. but they're DEFINATELY not bedtime reading .. reading them is -work-. For a history prof, reading them with comprehension would be .. well, it'd require him to do all sorts of subsiduary reading just to have the background!) Jenn V. -- "Do you ever wonder if there's a whole section of geek culture you miss out on by being a geek?" - Dancer. jenn@simegen.com Jenn Vesperman http://www.simegen.com/~jenn/ From simegen-l@simegen.com Thu May 17 06:10:38 2001 From: simegen-l@simegen.com (coyote) Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 02:10:38 -0400 Subject: [Simegen-L] 809 Area Code scam In-Reply-To: <3a.14fb6e5a.28340073@aol.com> Message-ID: Anne, thank you for your concern in sharing that information with us. This scam has been around for awhile, so I wonder what touched off a resurgence in warnings about it. I checked it out on one of the urban legends and hoaxes pages: http://www.snopes.com. Snopes.com said that although the scam is real, some of the information in the warning, such as the figure of $2000+ a minute that fraud victims are allegedly getting billed for, appears to be exaggerated. Here's the URL for what snopes.com has to say about the scam and warnings: http://www.snopes2.com/inboxe r/scams/809.htm Seanara From simegen-l@simegen.com Thu May 17 04:54:28 2001 From: simegen-l@simegen.com (Sheila) Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 05:54:28 +0100 Subject: [Simegen-L] Re: Americans Reading Less In-Reply-To: References: <20010516.080519.-294365.1.Jean1@juno.com> Message-ID: <4a7be861c4sheilac@ukgateway.net> In article , Kiri Aradia Morgan wrote: > And also, I am annoyed with people who think incomprehensibility is > a sign of greatness. This is what I've always called pseudo-intellectual. But then I've never understood why anyone should want to use a four-syllable word if there was a one-syllable one that had exactly the same meaning. Unless they were showing off their vocabulary, of course. Sheila -- sheilac@ukgateway.net Youth tends to look ahead. Old age tends to look back. Middle age tends to look worried. From simegen-l@simegen.com Thu May 17 14:07:16 2001 From: simegen-l@simegen.com (simegen-l@simegen.com) Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 10:07:16 EDT Subject: [Simegen-L] 809 Area Code scam Message-ID: <6.16ae5b6f.28353514@aol.com> --part1_6.16ae5b6f.28353514_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Snoops may be a bit behind. I am a reporter and I received this information from not one but three different police departments from detectives who I have interviewed in the past. Readya, Anne The shortest distance between two points is a complete understanding of the Cabbalah. --part1_6.16ae5b6f.28353514_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Snoops may be a bit behind. I am a reporter and I received this information
from not one but three different police departments from detectives who I
have interviewed in the past.

Readya,
Anne

The shortest distance between two points is a complete understanding of the
Cabbalah. --part1_6.16ae5b6f.28353514_boundary-- From simegen-l@simegen.com Fri May 18 02:10:26 2001 From: simegen-l@simegen.com (simegen-l@simegen.com) Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 22:10:26 EDT Subject: [Simegen-L] Star Trek "Prequel" Message-ID: <3c.be22ac5.2835de92@aol.com> This an excerpt from Yahoo, on this fall's television schedules..... Karen ========== The new ``Enterprise'' replaces ``Star Trek: Voyager,'' which is retiring after seven seasons. The latest series is a prequel to the original ``Star Trek,'' set in the 22nd century. It won't have the ``Star Trek'' name attached; Valentine said it was Paramount's decision to risk leaving off the brand name. From simegen-l@simegen.com Fri May 18 22:11:23 2001 From: simegen-l@simegen.com (mlmendum) Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 15:11:23 -0700 Subject: [Simegen-L] The Secret Pens Message-ID: Folks, I've been spending the last month with my computer in the shop, trying to get a burned-out logic board replaced. As a result, I haven't had much in the way of Internet access, and I've fallen way behind on list discussions. After the last delay, I was able to lay enough of a guilt trip on the shop that they fixed me up with a loaner computer, but it's extremely primitive and not particularly reliable. However, at least I can do email without driving onto to campus and fighting my husband, three graduate students, half a dozen undergrads, and a visiting scholar from France for the two lab computers. Looking through the past few weeks' worth of email, I noticed several requests for information on when the Secret Pens will be available again. The answer is, Kaas is working on it, but she doesn't know. Her nameserver has been the target of multiple automated attacks by hackers. Some of them have caused substantial damage, but all of them require that she reformat everything, to prevent her computers from becoming a platform from which other computers are attacked. At present, she has pretty much decided to leave the nameserver down until she can get a more hack-proof version of the software installed. She's hoping that will happen in the near future. I will let both Sime/Gen lists know when the Pens are once more flying the green flag, welcoming junct readers out for kills. Mary Lou From simegen-l@simegen.com Fri May 18 23:03:16 2001 From: simegen-l@simegen.com ( Colleen M.) Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 07:03:16 +0800 Subject: [Simegen-L] Trying This Again Message-ID: <20010518230317.14930.qmail@mail.com> If this is a duplicate, I apologize - I tried to post a note just a few minutes ago and got kicked out of e-mail; the note seems to have disappeared. *sigh* Mail.com upgraded last month and the service has gone downhill ever since. I can hardly ever get my e-mail anymore. I sent an email to them to tell them about the problems I've been having and ask when they expect to have the bugs out - and it got returned to me, unanswered. So now I'm looking for a different (free, web-based) email provider. Does anyone have any suggestions (or any warnings )? I'm aware of Yahoo - actually, I have a Yahoo account which I never used; whenever I check it it's filled with spam - an amazing amount of spam! I'm also aware of Hotmail, but I've read about too many security problems to be comfortable using it. I'm going to post this quickly and hope it goes through without kicking me off this time. Crossing my fingers! Colleen -- _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://www.mail.com From simegen-l@simegen.com Sat May 19 01:43:39 2001 From: simegen-l@simegen.com (simegen-l@simegen.com) Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 21:43:39 EDT Subject: [Simegen-L] The Secret Pens Message-ID: In a message dated 5/18/01 6:15:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mlmendum@davis.com writes: << After the last delay, I was able to lay enough of a guilt trip on the shop that they fixed me up with a loaner computer, but it's extremely primitive and not particularly reliable. >> Stone knives and bearskins? From simegen-l@simegen.com Sat May 19 02:43:27 2001 From: simegen-l@simegen.com (simegen-l@simegen.com) Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 19:43:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Simegen-L] The Secret Pens In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 18 May 2001 Annpiccolo@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 5/18/01 6:15:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > mlmendum@davis.com writes: > > << After the last delay, I was able to lay enough of a guilt trip on the shop > that they fixed me up with a loaner computer, but it's extremely primitive > and not particularly reliable. >> > > Stone knives and bearskins? > Just about. A Mac PowerBook 520, with a modem which can take data at a whopping 14.4. That is, when it doesn't get tempermental and refuse to hold a connection at all. It's a good thing that I'm used to very outdated software. If I'd switched to Word 98 like the rest of the world, I'd be in big trouble. Mary Lou From simegen-l@simegen.com Sat May 19 14:12:51 2001 From: simegen-l@simegen.com (Jean Lorrah) Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 09:12:51 -0500 Subject: [Simegen-L] Trying This Again Message-ID: <20010519.094616.-411563.1.Jean1@juno.com> I have a eudora.com account which I use only when I'm out of the country and checking mail from library computers and Internet cafes. It seems to chug along just fine, even though I only remember to look at it every couple of months to keep it operational for when I travel without my own computer. Jean On Sat, 19 May 2001 07:03:16 +0800 " Colleen M." writes: > If this is a duplicate, I apologize - I tried to post a note just a > few minutes ago and got kicked out of e-mail; the note seems to have > disappeared. *sigh* > > Mail.com upgraded last month and the service has gone downhill ever > since. I can hardly ever get my e-mail anymore. I sent an email to > them to tell them about the problems I've been having and ask when > they expect to have the bugs out - and it got returned to me, > unanswered. So now I'm looking for a different (free, web-based) > email provider. Does anyone have any suggestions (or any warnings > )? I'm aware of Yahoo - actually, I have a Yahoo account which I > never used; whenever I check it it's filled with spam - an amazing > amount of spam! I'm also aware of Hotmail, but I've read about too > many security problems to be comfortable using it. > > I'm going to post this quickly and hope it goes through without > kicking me off this time. Crossing my fingers! > > Colleen > -- > > _______________________________________________ > Get your free email from http://www.mail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Simegen-L mailing list > Simegen-L@simegen.com > http://www.simegen.com/mailman/listinfo/simegen-l Jean Lorrah, jean1@juno.com http://www.jeanlorrah.com NEW BOOK: Nessie and the Living Stone by Lois Wickstrom and Jean Lorrah WINNER, Independent E-book Award. http://www.nessiebook.com From simegen-l@simegen.com Sat May 19 20:37:32 2001 From: simegen-l@simegen.com (simegen-l@simegen.com) Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 16:37:32 EDT Subject: [Simegen-L] Re: ebookomatic.net Message-ID: On paying to have your MS converted to e-book format: << They're charging you fifty bucks, which you'll never see again. You can expect approximately zero readers. >> Unless your purpose is to create an e-book version of an already-print-published book for which you (the author) own electronic rights, in order to make it available in that format without sharing any potential sales with a publisher. In that case, $50 strikes me as a bargain. Assuming, of course, that the site does a good job with the conversion, uses a widely-read e-format, and is user-friendly for buyers; I don't know, not having actually looked at the site yet. Also, if you happen to be an author who already has a "name" and a fan base, and wants to disseminate a book that hasn't proved attractive to commercial publishers, you could expect significantly more than zero readers (provided you do a good job of self-promotion, which goes without saying in deals like this) -- and, again, not share the profits with any third party. Margaret Carter From simegen-l@simegen.com Mon May 21 01:10:18 2001 From: simegen-l@simegen.com (simegen-l@simegen.com) Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 21:10:18 EDT Subject: [Simegen-L] The Secret Pens Message-ID: <29.15141ae5.2839c4fa@aol.com> In a message dated 5/18/01 10:44:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mlmendum@cal.net writes: << Just about. A Mac PowerBook 520, with a modem which can take data at a whopping 14.4. That is, when it doesn't get tempermental and refuse to hold a connection at all. >> I've got a 14.4 modem and a 486. It works for getting e-mail and it helps inspire me to practice the piccolo rather than web browsing. From simegen-l@simegen.com Mon May 21 05:17:02 2001 From: simegen-l@simegen.com (simegen-l@simegen.com) Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 01:17:02 EDT Subject: [Simegen-L] Question -- For Experienced WORLDCON Attendees Message-ID: <22.1658e85b.2839fece@aol.com> I've had one question running around in my head lately, and I keep forgetting to post it to our list.... I have never attended a Worldcon, and am anticipating attending the one this year, because transportation to it is close to my home (among other reasons). My query is: With a membership price of something like $170 at the moment, what kind of value do you get for that HIGH cost? What is included, what is extra (other than hotel room and meals which I _know_ is not covered.) Conventions like Balticon, Darkover, Shore Leave have much more reasonable prices for membership. Checking their websites there is much included for the cost they ask. Can anyone tell me what this $170 includes that makes it a "value?" Other than "Its a WORLDCON!" Specifics, please. Curious for a detailed answer.... Karen From simegen-l@simegen.com Mon May 21 17:01:56 2001 From: simegen-l@simegen.com (Jean Lorrah) Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 12:01:56 -0500 Subject: [Simegen-L] Used Book Stores Thriving on the Internet Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20010521120156.008a6a50@msumusik.mursuky.edu> >From today's Publisher's Lunch: Independent Used Book Dealers are Thriving E-commerce has been an unqualified boon to used book dealers according to this NYTimes piece. Dan Gaeta, of the John Bale Book Company in Waterbury, CT, says: "Every dealer has thousands of books they simply couldn't give away and now there's a demand for them. The Internet has created a lot of efficiency in a market that traditionally has been inefficient, which was, of course, is part of its charm." According to figures from Book Hunter Press, second-hand booksellers in the US have risen from 3,774 to 4,308 since 1996. NYT on used book e-commerce http://link.ixs1.net/s/link/click?rc=al&rti=e37280&si=p2170101 Visit my websites, http://www.simegen.com/jean and http://www.jeanlorrah.com NEW BOOK: Nessie and the Living Stone http://www.crossroadspub.com/Nessie.htm WINNER! Independent E-books Award, best children's book. From simegen-l@simegen.com Mon May 21 20:02:13 2001 From: simegen-l@simegen.com (simegen-l@simegen.com) Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 16:02:13 EDT Subject: [Simegen-L] Fwd: Juno Users Message-ID: <9b.155028d5.283ace45@aol.com> --part1_9b.155028d5.283ace45_boundary Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_9b.155028d5.283ace45_alt_boundary" --part1_9b.155028d5.283ace45_alt_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/21/2001 4:11:24 AM Pacific Daylight Time, daily-news@lists.gigalaw.com writes: > Customer Sues Juno for "Free Access" > A customer has sued Juno Online Services, saying she was tricked into > becoming a paid subscriber to the Internet service, which advertised its > "free access." In the suit filed in state Supreme Court in Manhattan, Ann > Louise Truschel said the company began billing her $14.95 a month as an > "excessive user" after she was online for about eight days. > Read the article: CNET News.com @ > http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1005-200-5975971.html?tag=lh > Further reading on GigaLaw.com: Legal Guidelines for Advertising on > the Internet @ http://www.gigalaw.com/articles/ftc-2000-07-p1.html > > --part1_9b.155028d5.283ace45_alt_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/21/2001 4:11:24 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
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Customer Sues Juno for "Free Access"
    A customer has sued Juno Online Services, saying she was tricked into
becoming a paid subscriber to the Internet service, which advertised its
"free access." In the suit filed in state Supreme Court in Manhattan, Ann
Louise Truschel said the company began billing her $14.95 a month as an
"excessive user" after she was online for about eight days.
    Read the article: CNET News.com @
http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1005-200-5975971.html?tag=lh
    Further reading on GigaLaw.com: Legal Guidelines for Advertising on
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Subscription information: http://www.GigaLaw.com/news ===================================================== Headlines for today (scroll down for abstracts and links): U.S. Approves VeriSign Deal for Six More Years Trademark Owners Get Some Protection in New Domain Names Judge Enters $121.5 Million Award in CompUSA Case Customer Sues Juno for "Free Access" Shareholder Sues MP3.com Over IPO Software Piracy Grew in 2000, Group Reports Company Loses Fight Over Aimster Domain Name Court Orders Attorneys' Fees in Chat Room Case White House Lobbies Tech Industry for Energy Plan Headlines from one year ago: Protestors Target Copyright Law's Security Measures New Virus More Destructive Than 'Love Bug' Justice Department Investigating Airline's Web Site Noteworthy on GigaLaw.com: How to Form a Business, Part 4: The Limited Liability Company (LLC) @ http://www.gigalaw.com/articles/gall-2000-05-p1.html ------------------------------------------------------ (advertisement) Need pointers and tips about finding information on the Web? Try The Virtual Chase! http://www.virtualchase.com ------------------------------------------------------ [DOMAIN NAMES] U.S. Approves VeriSign Deal for Six More Years Ending a week of closed-door negotiations over the future of the .com domain registry, the Department of Commerce approved VeriSign's pending contract with ICANN with only minor changes. VeriSign will maintain control over the .com registry until November 10, 2007, with an option to renew for another four years. Read the article: Internet World @ http://www.internetworld.com/news/archive/05212001a.jsp [DOMAIN NAMES] Trademark Owners Get Some Protection in New Domain Names The two registries charged with overseeing technical operations for two new top-level domains, NeuLevel and Afilias, have agreed to allow trademark owners an early opportunity to stake their claims. While NeuLevel and Afilias each have agreed to consider trademark owners' rights before registering new domain names, their procedures differ in many ways. Read the article: Internet World @ http://www.internetworld.com/news/archive/05212001d.jsp Further reading on GigaLaw.com: Domain Name Delays Creating Confusion @ http://www.gigalaw.com/articles/2001/isenberg-2001-05-p1.html [LAWSUITS] Judge Enters $121.5 Million Award in CompUSA Case A Texas state district court judge entered a $121.5 million judgment against Mexican billionaire Carlos Slim Helu and two of his firms over a Dallas company's attempt to open computer stores in Mexico. A jury in February awarded $454.5 million in damages to COC Services Ltd., a company that three Dallas businessmen formed to open CompUSA stores. Read the article: The Washington Post @ http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A47262-2001May18.html [LAWSUITS] Customer Sues Juno for "Free Access" A customer has sued Juno Online Services, saying she was tricked into becoming a paid subscriber to the Internet service, which advertised its "free access." In the suit filed in state Supreme Court in Manhattan, Ann Louise Truschel said the company began billing her $14.95 a month as an "excessive user" after she was online for about eight days. Read the article: CNET News.com @ http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1005-200-5975971.html?tag=lh Further reading on GigaLaw.com: Legal Guidelines for Advertising on the Internet @ http://www.gigalaw.com/articles/ftc-2000-07-p1.html [LAWSUITS] Shareholder Sues MP3.com Over IPO An MP3.com shareholder sued the music-sharing Web site, saying the company broke securities laws in its 1999 initial public offering. The proposed class action claims MP3.com violated federal securities laws by not telling investors that at least two of the IPO underwriters asked for and received undisclosed commissions from some investors, according to a statement by Sirota & Sirota, the firm representing the holder. Read the article: CNET News.com @ http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1005-200-5976409.html?tag=mn_hd Also: Vivendi to Buy MP3.com: Nando Times @ http://archive.nandotimes.com/technology/story/0,1643,500561458-500803290-504388795-0,00.html [SOFTWARE] Software Piracy Grew in 2000, Group Reports Software piracy grew in 2000 for the first time in more than half a decade and 37 percent of the programs used by businesses worldwide are illegal copies, a trade group of software makers reported. The worldwide dollar losses to software makers due to piracy dropped slightly to $11.75 billion, however, due to a growing market for software and lower prices, the group said. Read the article: SiliconValley.com @ http://www.siliconvalley.com/docs/news/tech/076498.htm [DOMAIN NAMES] Company Loses Fight Over Aimster Domain Name In a decision that might shock some fans of the file-sharing service known as Aimster, a binding dispute resolution process has declared that the company behind the AOL Instant Messenger (AOL) add-on should give up its Aimster.com Internet domain. In a 2-1 decision, a three-member panel from the Minneapolis-based National Arbitration Forum (NAF) ruled that Aimster founder Johnny Deep and his company, Buddy USA Inc., were essentially cybersquatting on the Aimster.com domain and three other addresses reminiscent of the instant-messenger software from AOL Time Warner's online division. Read the article: Newsbytes @ http://www.newsbytes.com/news/01/165910.html Further reading on GigaLaw.com: Battling Cybersquatters: New Tools for Trademark Holders @ http://www.gigalaw.com/articles/kubiszyn-2000-02-p1.html [LAWSUITS] Court Orders Attorneys' Fees in Chat Room Case A U.S. District Court ordered Global Telemedia International to pay more than $55,000 in attorney's fees to two defendants. The company had sued several anonymous individuals for posting comments critical of GTMI in an Internet chat room. Read the article: Newsbytes @ http://www.newsbytes.com/news/01/165911.html Further reading on GigaLaw.com: The Legal Debate Over Protecting Anonymous Speakers Online @ http://www.gigalaw.com/articles/2001/hilden-2001-02-p1.html [POLITICS] White House Lobbies Tech Industry for Energy Plan Just hours after President Bush unveiled his controversial national energy plan this week, Vice President Dick Cheney was on the phone, drumming up support from the technology industry. In a 30-minute call with Intel CEO Craig Barrett, newly retired Microsoft COO Bob Herbold and other tech leaders, Cheney stressed that the power plan would secure future energy supplies while bestowing substantial tax credits and other benefits on companies developing energy-related technology. Read the article: The Industry Standard @ http://www.thestandard.com/article/0,1902,24616,00.html ===================================================== To subscribe to (or unsubscribe from) GigaLaw.com Daily News, or for other subscription options, go to http://www.gigalaw.com/newsletters/dailynews.html ------------------------------------------------------ GigaLaw.com Daily News is published by and copyright (c) 2001 Dolesco LLC, Doug Isenberg, Esq., Editor & Publisher (mailto:disenberg@GigaLaw.com) ===================================================== --part1_9b.155028d5.283ace45_boundary-- From simegen-l@simegen.com Mon May 21 22:55:09 2001 From: simegen-l@simegen.com (simegen-l@simegen.com) Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 18:55:09 EDT Subject: [Simegen-L] Fwd: Juno Users Message-ID: << ------------------- Wendy sent --------- In a message dated 5/21/2001 4:11:24 AM Pacific Daylight Time, daily-news@lists.gigalaw.com writes: > Customer Sues Juno for "Free Access" > A customer has sued Juno Online Services, saying she was tricked into > becoming a paid subscriber to the Internet service, which advertised its > "free access." In the suit filed in state Supreme Court in Manhattan, Ann > Louise Truschel said the company began billing her $14.95 a month as an > "excessive user" after she was online for about eight days. > Read the article: CNET News.com @ > http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1005-200-5975971.html?tag=lh > Further reading on GigaLaw.com: Legal Guidelines for Advertising on > the Internet @ http://www.gigalaw.com/articles/ftc-2000-07-p1.html > > >> SO FAR "ZeorWel@juno.com" the free Welcommittee account we have had for many years has not been changed. I've been keeping an eye on this development, and I just pulled in the mail (mostly spam) from it a few minutes ago. There was again a "join the supercomputer" project plea (which I won't), but no threats to pay. My own account on Juno is a paid account and has been for some time. Thanks for the legal information about this issue. Karen From simegen-l@simegen.com Tue May 22 12:55:38 2001 From: simegen-l@simegen.com (Jean Lorrah) Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 07:55:38 -0500 Subject: [Simegen-L] Fwd: Juno Users Message-ID: <20010522.081356.-390587.0.Jean1@juno.com> I signed up for my free Juno account long years ago. They have no credit card number on file with which to charge me. That is a throwaway account for sites that demand an e-mail address before they will give me what I came for, and I check it once a week. I pay for this one that I use daily. My guess would be that since this woman gave them a credit card number, she agreed somewhere in the fine print that Juno could charge it. There didn't use to be a requirement to provide a credit card number to get a free account, and if there is one now I would expect to see a HUGE drop in sign-ups to the free service. In most people the demand for a credit card for a free service will set off major alarm bells. Jean On Mon, 21 May 2001 18:55:09 EDT KLitman323@aol.com writes: > > > << ------------------- Wendy sent --------- > In a message dated 5/21/2001 4:11:24 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > daily-news@lists.gigalaw.com writes: > > > > Customer Sues Juno for "Free Access" > > A customer has sued Juno Online Services, saying she was > tricked into > > becoming a paid subscriber to the Internet service, which > advertised its > > "free access." In the suit filed in state Supreme Court in > Manhattan, Ann > > Louise Truschel said the company began billing her $14.95 a month > as an > > "excessive user" after she was online for about eight days. > > Read the article: CNET News.com @ > > http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1005-200-5975971.html?tag=lh > > Further reading on GigaLaw.com: Legal Guidelines for > Advertising on > > the Internet @ > http://www.gigalaw.com/articles/ftc-2000-07-p1.html > > > > > >> > SO FAR "ZeorWel@juno.com" the free Welcommittee account we have > had for > many years has not been changed. I've been keeping an eye on this > development, and I just pulled in the mail (mostly spam) from it a > few > minutes ago. There was again a "join the supercomputer" project > plea (which > I won't), but no threats to pay. > > My own account on Juno is a paid account and has been for some time. > > Thanks for the legal information about this issue. > > Karen > > _______________________________________________ > Simegen-L mailing list > Simegen-L@simegen.com > http://www.simegen.com/mailman/listinfo/simegen-l Jean Lorrah, jean1@juno.com http://www.jeanlorrah.com NEW BOOK: Nessie and the Living Stone by Lois Wickstrom and Jean Lorrah WINNER, Independent E-book Award. http://www.nessiebook.com From simegen-l@simegen.com Tue May 22 20:22:03 2001 From: simegen-l@simegen.com (simegen-l@simegen.com) Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 16:22:03 -0400 Subject: [Simegen-L] iPublish In-Reply-To: <20010522.081356.-390587.0.Jean1@juno.com> Message-ID: <3B0A922B.11565.3DDDBFC@localhost> 0100,0100,0100The Authors Guild has issued a warning against Time/Warner's iPublish program and its contract. See http://www.authorsguild.org/pripublish051701.html Further commentary on the iPublish contract is at 0000,8000,0000Arialhttp://savage.authorslawyer.com/journals/j0012.shtml Times New RomanMore discussion, including iPublish's response to the Authors Guild press release, is at http://webnews.sff.net/read?cmd=xover&group=sff.publishing.ipublish&from=- 10 See also http://webnews.sff.net/read?cmd=xover&group=sff.publishing.scams&from=-10 -- Viable Paradise Writers' Workshop http://www.sff.net/paradise From simegen-l@simegen.com Wed May 23 14:58:31 2001 From: simegen-l@simegen.com (Jean Lorrah) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 09:58:31 -0500 Subject: [Simegen-L] Before the Big Bang? Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20010523095831.008a7370@msumusik.mursuky.edu> Interesting article on theories about what existed before the Big Bang produced our universe: http://www.nytimes.com/2001/05/22/science/22BANG.html Jean Visit my websites, http://www.simegen.com/jean and http://www.jeanlorrah.com NEW BOOK: Nessie and the Living Stone http://www.crossroadspub.com/Nessie.htm WINNER! Independent E-books Award, best children's book. From simegen-l@simegen.com Wed May 23 15:11:32 2001 From: simegen-l@simegen.com (Jean Lorrah) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 10:11:32 -0500 Subje