From simegen-l@simegen.com Fri Jun 1 00:48:07 2001 From: simegen-l@simegen.com (simegen-l@simegen.com) Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 20:48:07 EDT Subject: [Simegen-L] Fan stories under development.... Please reply Message-ID: <4d.c6e51ab.28484047@aol.com> I am still slogging through the rough draft of my first attempt at a Sime/Gen story. Currently it's a dozen or so pages and some notes. I wish I could say it was more, but between the FAA, my job, and my husband's health I've been a bit short on writing time. Since two of the above three situations have improved I hope to get back to it in the next week or so. >---Broomstick--- Any day above ground is a good day From simegen-l@simegen.com Fri Jun 1 00:59:25 2001 From: simegen-l@simegen.com (simegen-l@simegen.com) Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 10:59:25 +1000 Subject: [Simegen-L] Jean is home References: <4.3.1.0.20010531173301.00b2d330@murraystate.edu> Message-ID: <3B16E8ED.40807@simegen.com> Jean Lorrah wrote: > Dear Staff Members, > > Thank you for your good thoughts and prayers. They worked. > > The cancer was confined to the center of the very small lump, so the > surgeon was able to take that with clear margins. He then took the > sentinel node, and it proved clear, so that was the end of the surgery. > Chances are now very good that I will be completely cured. Excellent. I'm very, VERY glad to hear that. I care about you, you know. > My case is definitely an example of the value of self-examination every > month. It's unlikely the outcome would have been as good if discovery > had been delayed until my regularly-scheduled mammogram in late July. If you feel able to tell us, and are willing to tell such a personal thing - in what ways did it feel different to regular breast tissue? That's the one thing that none of the self-examination literature I've read has bothered to say. If it's too personal, or the experience is too raw in your mind, tell me I'm being publically nosy and to go away. Please! Jenn V. -- "Do you ever wonder if there's a whole section of geek culture you miss out on by being a geek?" - Dancer. jenn@simegen.com Jenn Vesperman http://www.simegen.com/~jenn/ From simegen-l@simegen.com Fri Jun 1 04:53:15 2001 From: simegen-l@simegen.com (Elizabeth Westphal) Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 00:53:15 -0400 Subject: [Simegen-L] GN levels? References: <31.15640584.28413119@aol.com> <3B11DBD6.92A28206@ic.net> Message-ID: <3B171FBB.E058E10D@inr.net> Dear Katherine, Katherine Rylien wrote: > This is for those of you who have been around awhile and/or know your way > around the neighborhood better than I do... Jacqueline mentioned to me that > there was an article about the different GN and TN levels that was published > quite awhile back, and is probably on the web site as well. I need more > information about this--specifically the subcategories of general donors. People have already pointed you to the article in question, I think. But it doesn't help all that much on GNs. I think you'd have to ask JL or Jean for a specific answer. Blessed be, Betsy From simegen-l@simegen.com Fri Jun 1 15:09:18 2001 From: simegen-l@simegen.com (Jean Lorrah) Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 10:09:18 -0500 Subject: [Simegen-L] Jean is home Message-ID: <20010601.100920.-278989.0.Jean1@juno.com> On Fri, 01 Jun 2001 10:59:25 +1000 jenn@simegen.com writes: > If you feel able to tell us, and are willing to tell such a personal > thing - in what ways did it feel different to regular breast tissue? > That's the one thing that none of the self-examination literature > I've read has bothered to say. > > If it's too personal, or the experience is too raw in your mind, > tell me I'm being publically nosy and to go away. Please! Okay--teacher mode on. Anyone who would be grossed out, fair warning--do not continue. First of all, if you are over forty and female, go get a mammogram. While you are there, get the instructions for self-examination (in many places, they run a video in the waiting room, or have paper literature and a fake breast with lumps in it that you can feel to see how something abnormal feels). After a mammogram you know that what you are feeling in your own breasts is normal for you, no matter how lumpy. If you are under forty or male, go to any of the many sites on the Internet that explain how to do a self-exam. Pick a time every month to do your exam--for women, immediately after menstruation ends is a good time. For men and post-menopausal women, choose something that happens on the same day every month to be your reminder. The really important thing is to know what is _normal_ for you--that way all the lumps and bumps that flesh is heir to won't scare you, because you know they were already there right after your negative mammogram, and are not cancer. There are certain times of month for women, usually just before or during menstruation, when breasts feel grainy--if you feel that just after a negative mammogram, you know again that it is normal. Check a week later, and you will find that the graininess has gone away. If you are male or too young to start mammograms, here is something I have personally noticed but never seen in the literature anywhere. Run your tongue around the inside of your cheek, especially down around your lower teeth. Feel all those soft, flat lumps and bumps of various sizes and shapes? Those are not cancer. If you feel the same sort of soft, flat lumps and bumps in your breasts, they are almost certainly the very common fibro-cystic breast disease or fibromastia, not cancer. If you are uncertain, your doctor can quickly reassure you, and will send a man or a young woman for a mammogram _only_ if something feels suspicious. If you are a woman over forty, your doctor should send you for an annual mammogram no matter what. Now, what I found was really, really obvious. It appeared in a place where there had never been any kind of lump or bump before, and it was hard and round, not soft and flat. It felt _different_ from anything I had ever felt in my breasts before. _Different_ is the key. Knowing how your breasts normally feel tells you when something doesn't feel normal. I've been doing monthly self-exams for twenty years now--and it probably saved my life. It certainly allowed me to have the most minimal treatment. Also--even if you have to have a biopsy, 80% of abnormal lumps are _still_ benign. The fact that mine wasn't only means that _I_ was in the unlucky 20%, not that you will be. And always, if it is cancer, the faster you find and eliminate it, the less pain and fuss, and the better your chances for a cure. Jean Jean Lorrah, jean1@juno.com http://www.jeanlorrah.com NEW BOOK: Nessie and the Living Stone by Lois Wickstrom and Jean Lorrah WINNER, Independent E-book Award. http://www.nessiebook.com From simegen-l@simegen.com Fri Jun 1 21:55:56 2001 From: simegen-l@simegen.com (Sosectu) Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 16:55:56 -0500 Subject: [Simegen-L] Jean is home References: <4.3.1.0.20010531173301.00b2d330@murraystate.edu> Message-ID: <3B180F6C.A5C822BF@home.net> That's wonderful Jean. Congratulations. Marge Jean Lorrah wrote: > Dear Staff Members, > > Thank you for your good thoughts and prayers. They worked. > > The cancer was confined to the center of the very small lump, so the > surgeon was able to take that with clear margins. He then took the > sentinel node, and it proved clear, so that was the end of the > surgery. Chances are now very good that I will be completely cured. > > I will have to have radiation, but not chemotherapy. There was more > phantom pain down my arm than real pain at the incision, and as someone > with long experience with sciatica, I know that moving the limb is what > gets rid of the phantom pain. It's already far less severe than when I > woke up in the recovery room. Typing on the notebook (my elbows rest on > the chair arms) is actually good for me. > > I'm home, and just taking a moment to send a few messages to reassure > everyone before I settle down to chicken soup and the remote control for > the rest of the evening. > > My case is definitely an example of the value of self-examination every > month. It's unlikely the outcome would have been as good if discovery had > been delayed until my regularly-scheduled mammogram in late July. > > Jean > > Jean Lorrah, jean@simegen.com http://www.jeanlorrah.com > NESSIE AND THE LIVING STONE http://www.crossroadspub.com/Nessie.htm > WINNER, Independent E-books Award, Best Children's Book! > 2001 book: BLOOD WILL TELL http://www.awe-struck.net > > _______________________________________________ > Simegen-L mailing list > Simegen-L@simegen.com > http://www.simegen.com/mailman/listinfo/simegen-l From simegen-l@simegen.com Sat Jun 2 00:04:05 2001 From: simegen-l@simegen.com (simegen-l@simegen.com) Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2001 10:04:05 +1000 Subject: [Simegen-L] Jean is home References: <20010601.100920.-278989.0.Jean1@juno.com> Message-ID: <3B182D75.3040300@simegen.com> Jean Lorrah wrote: > Now, what I found was really, really obvious. It appeared in a place > where there had never been any kind of lump or bump before, and it was > hard and round, not soft and flat. It felt _different_ from anything I > had ever felt in my breasts before. Hm. That's interesting - the lump that my doctor was 'mildly concerned' about was hard and flat. But thank you - that helps. > Also--even if you have to have a biopsy, 80% of abnormal lumps are > _still_ benign. The fact that mine wasn't only means that _I_ was in the > unlucky 20%, not that you will be. And always, if it is cancer, the > faster you find and eliminate it, the less pain and fuss, and the better > your chances for a cure. Yes. My lump, the GP got me to come back in a month and get checked again - if it was still there then, I was going to get the whole ultrasound-or-mammogram, biopsy, pathology, let's-check-this-properly treatment. She explained to me why she didn't send me off immediately: firstly, it didn't 'feel' cancerous, it just felt abnormal to her. Secondly, under forty, there's not a lot you can see in breast tissue. Apparently the tissue changes around forty or so, and you can get useful mammograms. But younger, apparently the tissue just shows up as lumpy clouds or something. At any rate - I'm glad my scare was nothing more. And more glad that your something-more looks like it will be all ok! Jenn V. -- "Do you ever wonder if there's a whole section of geek culture you miss out on by being a geek?" - Dancer. jenn@simegen.com Jenn Vesperman http://www.simegen.com/~jenn/ From A discussion list for Sime~Gen Fandom" from "Jaye n'haNaomi" at Mar 26, 0 05:03:23 am Jaye n'haNaomi scripsit: > > Larry and Leigh -- congratulations on your upcoming marriage! I sure wish I > could be there to celebrate with you! > > > > Anything worth doing is worth doing poorly at first. Umm, there seems to be a sort of conflict between those two remarks! -- John Cowan cowan@ccil.org I am a member of a civilization. --David Brin ---------- You are subscribed to the SIMEGEN-L list. To unsubscribe from this list, send an email to LISTSERV@SIMEGEN.COM with no subject and the text "unsubscribe SIMEGEN-L". ---------- From A discussion list for Sime~Gen Fandom" from "Karen Litman" at Apr 12, 0 12:24:55 pm Karen Litman scripsit: > As far as I understand canon (and I'm pretty good at it after 22+ years) > there is no pre-natal selyn draw in any fetus which would become a > donor/Companion, so carrying those children wouldn't likely pose a problem. Ambrov Keon lays down clearly that all Sime women experience the need for extra selyn during pregnancy. Only channel and Donor fetusses draw to a really life-threatening extent, though. -- John Cowan cowan@ccil.org I am a member of a civilization. --David Brin ---------- You are subscribed to the SIMEGEN-L list. To unsubscribe from this list, send an email to LISTSERV@SIMEGEN.COM with no subject and the text "unsubscribe SIMEGEN-L". ---------- From A discussion list for Sime~Gen Fandom" from "Jean Lorrah" at Apr 13, 0 08:45:24 pm Jean Lorrah scripsit: > You're right: I could give up, post all my writing to a website, and > forget about ever being considered a professional writer again. Pretty soon, I fear, "professional novelist" will be almost as much of an oxymoron as "professional poet". The publishers, after all, are reacting to (and also creating, to be sure) the desires of their customers, which is strictly for best-sellers. The mid-list no longer makes economic sense. -- John Cowan cowan@ccil.org I am a member of a civilization. --David Brin ---------- You are subscribed to the SIMEGEN-L list. To unsubscribe from this list, send an email to LISTSERV@SIMEGEN.COM with no subject and the text "unsubscribe SIMEGEN-L". ---------- From A discussion list for Sime~Gen Fandom" from "Jean Lorrah" at Apr 16, 0 07:32:06 pm Jean Lorrah scripsit: > If I mentioned that I had liked one of Dorothy Sayers' > mysteries, it would recommend other mysteries from the 1930's--not > recognize my crush on Lord Peter Wimsey and recommend the Miles > Verkosigan novels. While that is probably obvious to everyone on this > list, can you see how a search engine will never leap from 1930's > mysteries to 1990's sf? Not at all. If enough people indicate that they like both, then it will eventually recommend one to readers of the others. -- John Cowan cowan@ccil.org I am a member of a civilization. --David Brin ---------- You are subscribed to the SIMEGEN-L list. To unsubscribe from this list, send an email to LISTSERV@SIMEGEN.COM with no subject and the text "unsubscribe SIMEGEN-L". ---------- From A discussion list for Sime~Gen Fandom" from "Patric Michael" at May 28, 0 12:43:30 pm Patric Michael scripsit: > When I made a comment to one of the producers about > "continuity" between scenes that we were working on at the time, I > was told "Well, you gotta remember that these movies [of the > week] are nothing more than a vehicle to carry the commercials. > Dont worry about it." Indeed this is true of everything on television (PBS excepted, to some degree). The TV business is like the chicken business: the viewers only think they are the customers -- in fact they are the chickens. -- John Cowan cowan@ccil.org Yes, I know the message date is bogus. I can't help it. --me, on far too many occasions ---------- You are subscribed to the SIMEGEN-L list. To unsubscribe from this list, send an email to LISTSERV@SIMEGEN.COM with no subject and the text "unsubscribe SIMEGEN-L". ---------- From A discussion list for Sime~Gen Fandom" from "Karen Litman" at May 29, 0 10:00:19 pm Karen Litman scripsit: > Ann's right --- "stone knives and bearskins." From the Jargon File, a dictionary of hackish slang: (http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/jargon/html/entry/stone-knives-and-bearskins.html) stone knives and bearskins n. [from the Star Trek Classic episode "The City on the Edge of Forever"] A term traditionally used to describe (and deprecate) computing environments that are grotesquely primitive in light of what is known about good ways to design things. As in "Don't get too used to the facilities here. Once you leave SAIL it's stone knives and bearskins as far as the eye can see". Compare steam-powered. -- John Cowan cowan@ccil.org Yes, I know the message date is bogus. I can't help it. --me, on far too many occasions ---------- You are subscribed to the SIMEGEN-L list. To unsubscribe from this list, send an email to LISTSERV@SIMEGEN.COM with no subject and the text "unsubscribe SIMEGEN-L". ---------- From A discussion list for Sime~Gen Fandom" from "Kim Applegate" at May 30, 0 11:00:39 am Kim Applegate scripsit: > I am getting married in 3 days (june 2). I have the absolute confidence > that I am marrying the right man. That's the only thing I am confident > about. In the end, that's all that's going to matter. (I've been married for just about 21 years now, and I know.) > My father may or may not show up to the wedding, as he is angry that > I would not let him walk me down the aisle. My wife's parents refused to come to our wedding at all. When challenged on this, my future father-in-law informed us that "After all, they hadn't come to her previous wedding, either!" (Pretty offensive, eh?) We got over it. > Our rings have still not > arrived from the company we ordered them from 2 months ago. I just now was > told that my grandfather (who also has end stage renal failure and cancer) > has just developed appendicitis and is going into surgery this evening. The > chances of his survival are slim. His birthday, June 1, was to be > celebrated the evening before my wedding, and he may not be there for it. Some things simply will not work out as you expected. We had everything from guests who didn't show up, to a guest who showed up with unexpected (and uninvited) companions, to a running battle with the woman who owned the house we had rented, to the fact that my wife didn't get one bite of reception-food and ended up absolutely ravenous. It's no use saying "Don't worry", because if you are a worrier you will worry anyway. (Even if you are not, this list of troubles would probably make you one!) It's still your day. If the right people are standing together at the altar (or whatever), all will be well. Best of luck. -- John Cowan cowan@ccil.org Yes, I know the message date is bogus. I can't help it. --me, on far too many occasions ---------- You are subscribed to the SIMEGEN-L list. To unsubscribe from this list, send an email to LISTSERV@SIMEGEN.COM with no subject and the text "unsubscribe SIMEGEN-L". ---------- From A discussion list for Sime~Gen Fandom" from "Wendy Fisher" at May 30, 0 05:08:22 pm Wendy Fisher scripsit: > bless john cowan for saying exactly the right words Thanks. -- John Cowan cowan@ccil.org Yes, I know the message date is bogus. I can't help it. --me, on far too many occasions ---------- You are subscribed to the SIMEGEN-L list. To unsubscribe from this list, send an email to LISTSERV@SIMEGEN.COM with no subject and the text "unsubscribe SIMEGEN-L". ---------- From simegen-l@simegen.com Fri Jun 1 00:48:07 2001 From: simegen-l@simegen.com (simegen-l@simegen.com) Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 20:48:07 EDT Subject: [Simegen-L] Fan stories under development.... Please reply Message-ID: <4d.c6e51ab.28484047@aol.com> I am still slogging through the rough draft of my first attempt at a Sime/Gen story. Currently it's a dozen or so pages and some notes. I wish I could say it was more, but between the FAA, my job, and my husband's health I've been a bit short on writing time. Since two of the above three situations have improved I hope to get back to it in the next week or so. >---Broomstick--- Any day above ground is a good day From simegen-l@simegen.com Fri Jun 1 00:59:25 2001 From: simegen-l@simegen.com (simegen-l@simegen.com) Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 10:59:25 +1000 Subject: [Simegen-L] Jean is home References: <4.3.1.0.20010531173301.00b2d330@murraystate.edu> Message-ID: <3B16E8ED.40807@simegen.com> Jean Lorrah wrote: > Dear Staff Members, > > Thank you for your good thoughts and prayers. They worked. > > The cancer was confined to the center of the very small lump, so the > surgeon was able to take that with clear margins. He then took the > sentinel node, and it proved clear, so that was the end of the surgery. > Chances are now very good that I will be completely cured. Excellent. I'm very, VERY glad to hear that. I care about you, you know. > My case is definitely an example of the value of self-examination every > month. It's unlikely the outcome would have been as good if discovery > had been delayed until my regularly-scheduled mammogram in late July. If you feel able to tell us, and are willing to tell such a personal thing - in what ways did it feel different to regular breast tissue? That's the one thing that none of the self-examination literature I've read has bothered to say. If it's too personal, or the experience is too raw in your mind, tell me I'm being publically nosy and to go away. Please! Jenn V. -- "Do you ever wonder if there's a whole section of geek culture you miss out on by being a geek?" - Dancer. jenn@simegen.com Jenn Vesperman http://www.simegen.com/~jenn/ From simegen-l@simegen.com Fri Jun 1 04:53:15 2001 From: simegen-l@simegen.com (Elizabeth Westphal) Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 00:53:15 -0400 Subject: [Simegen-L] GN levels? References: <31.15640584.28413119@aol.com> <3B11DBD6.92A28206@ic.net> Message-ID: <3B171FBB.E058E10D@inr.net> Dear Katherine, Katherine Rylien wrote: > This is for those of you who have been around awhile and/or know your way > around the neighborhood better than I do... Jacqueline mentioned to me that > there was an article about the different GN and TN levels that was published > quite awhile back, and is probably on the web site as well. I need more > information about this--specifically the subcategories of general donors. People have already pointed you to the article in question, I think. But it doesn't help all that much on GNs. I think you'd have to ask JL or Jean for a specific answer. Blessed be, Betsy From simegen-l@simegen.com Fri Jun 1 15:09:18 2001 From: simegen-l@simegen.com (Jean Lorrah) Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 10:09:18 -0500 Subject: [Simegen-L] Jean is home Message-ID: <20010601.100920.-278989.0.Jean1@juno.com> On Fri, 01 Jun 2001 10:59:25 +1000 jenn@simegen.com writes: > If you feel able to tell us, and are willing to tell such a personal > thing - in what ways did it feel different to regular breast tissue? > That's the one thing that none of the self-examination literature > I've read has bothered to say. > > If it's too personal, or the experience is too raw in your mind, > tell me I'm being publically nosy and to go away. Please! Okay--teacher mode on. Anyone who would be grossed out, fair warning--do not continue. First of all, if you are over forty and female, go get a mammogram. While you are there, get the instructions for self-examination (in many places, they run a video in the waiting room, or have paper literature and a fake breast with lumps in it that you can feel to see how something abnormal feels). After a mammogram you know that what you are feeling in your own breasts is normal for you, no matter how lumpy. If you are under forty or male, go to any of the many sites on the Internet that explain how to do a self-exam. Pick a time every month to do your exam--for women, immediately after menstruation ends is a good time. For men and post-menopausal women, choose something that happens on the same day every month to be your reminder. The really important thing is to know what is _normal_ for you--that way all the lumps and bumps that flesh is heir to won't scare you, because you know they were already there right after your negative mammogram, and are not cancer. There are certain times of month for women, usually just before or during menstruation, when breasts feel grainy--if you feel that just after a negative mammogram, you know again that it is normal. Check a week later, and you will find that the graininess has gone away. If you are male or too young to start mammograms, here is something I have personally noticed but never seen in the literature anywhere. Run your tongue around the inside of your cheek, especially down around your lower teeth. Feel all those soft, flat lumps and bumps of various sizes and shapes? Those are not cancer. If you feel the same sort of soft, flat lumps and bumps in your breasts, they are almost certainly the very common fibro-cystic breast disease or fibromastia, not cancer. If you are uncertain, your doctor can quickly reassure you, and will send a man or a young woman for a mammogram _only_ if something feels suspicious. If you are a woman over forty, your doctor should send you for an annual mammogram no matter what. Now, what I found was really, really obvious. It appeared in a place where there had never been any kind of lump or bump before, and it was hard and round, not soft and flat. It felt _different_ from anything I had ever felt in my breasts before. _Different_ is the key. Knowing how your breasts normally feel tells you when something doesn't feel normal. I've been doing monthly self-exams for twenty years now--and it probably saved my life. It certainly allowed me to have the most minimal treatment. Also--even if you have to have a biopsy, 80% of abnormal lumps are _still_ benign. The fact that mine wasn't only means that _I_ was in the unlucky 20%, not that you will be. And always, if it is cancer, the faster you find and eliminate it, the less pain and fuss, and the better your chances for a cure. Jean Jean Lorrah, jean1@juno.com http://www.jeanlorrah.com NEW BOOK: Nessie and the Living Stone by Lois Wickstrom and Jean Lorrah WINNER, Independent E-book Award. http://www.nessiebook.com From simegen-l@simegen.com Fri Jun 1 21:55:56 2001 From: simegen-l@simegen.com (Sosectu) Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 16:55:56 -0500 Subject: [Simegen-L] Jean is home References: <4.3.1.0.20010531173301.00b2d330@murraystate.edu> Message-ID: <3B180F6C.A5C822BF@home.net> That's wonderful Jean. Congratulations. Marge Jean Lorrah wrote: > Dear Staff Members, > > Thank you for your good thoughts and prayers. They worked. > > The cancer was confined to the center of the very small lump, so the > surgeon was able to take that with clear margins. He then took the > sentinel node, and it proved clear, so that was the end of the > surgery. Chances are now very good that I will be completely cured. > > I will have to have radiation, but not chemotherapy. There was more > phantom pain down my arm than real pain at the incision, and as someone > with long experience with sciatica, I know that moving the limb is what > gets rid of the phantom pain. It's already far less severe than when I > woke up in the recovery room. Typing on the notebook (my elbows rest on > the chair arms) is actually good for me. > > I'm home, and just taking a moment to send a few messages to reassure > everyone before I settle down to chicken soup and the remote control for > the rest of the evening. > > My case is definitely an example of the value of self-examination every > month. It's unlikely the outcome would have been as good if discovery had > been delayed until my regularly-scheduled mammogram in late July. > > Jean > > Jean Lorrah, jean@simegen.com http://www.jeanlorrah.com > NESSIE AND THE LIVING STONE http://www.crossroadspub.com/Nessie.htm > WINNER, Independent E-books Award, Best Children's Book! > 2001 book: BLOOD WILL TELL http://www.awe-struck.net > > _______________________________________________ > Simegen-L mailing list > Simegen-L@simegen.com > http://www.simegen.com/mailman/listinfo/simegen-l From simegen-l@simegen.com Sat Jun 2 00:04:05 2001 From: simegen-l@simegen.com (simegen-l@simegen.com) Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2001 10:04:05 +1000 Subject: [Simegen-L] Jean is home References: <20010601.100920.-278989.0.Jean1@juno.com> Message-ID: <3B182D75.3040300@simegen.com> Jean Lorrah wrote: > Now, what I found was really, really obvious. It appeared in a place > where there had never been any kind of lump or bump before, and it was > hard and round, not soft and flat. It felt _different_ from anything I > had ever felt in my breasts before. Hm. That's interesting - the lump that my doctor was 'mildly concerned' about was hard and flat. But thank you - that helps. > Also--even if you have to have a biopsy, 80% of abnormal lumps are > _still_ benign. The fact that mine wasn't only means that _I_ was in the > unlucky 20%, not that you will be. And always, if it is cancer, the > faster you find and eliminate it, the less pain and fuss, and the better > your chances for a cure. Yes. My lump, the GP got me to come back in a month and get checked again - if it was still there then, I was going to get the whole ultrasound-or-mammogram, biopsy, pathology, let's-check-this-properly treatment. She explained to me why she didn't send me off immediately: firstly, it didn't 'feel' cancerous, it just felt abnormal to her. Secondly, under forty, there's not a lot you can see in breast tissue. Apparently the tissue changes around forty or so, and you can get useful mammograms. But younger, apparently the tissue just shows up as lumpy clouds or something. At any rate - I'm glad my scare was nothing more. And more glad that your something-more looks like it will be all ok! Jenn V. -- "Do you ever wonder if there's a whole section of geek culture you miss out on by being a geek?" - Dancer. jenn@simegen.com Jenn Vesperman http://www.simegen.com/~jenn/ From simegen-l@simegen.com Mon Jun 4 14:21:38 2001 From: simegen-l@simegen.com (simegen-l@simegen.com) Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 10:21:38 EDT Subject: [Simegen-L] Fwd: Off Topic darkover-lovers-l] A letter from Diana L. Paxson Message-ID: --part1_bf.f0095e3.284cf372_boundary Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_bf.f0095e3.284cf372_alt_boundary" --part1_bf.f0095e3.284cf372_alt_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 6/3/2001 11:51:06 PM Pacific Daylight Time, ppeltone@hkkk.fi writes: I thought everyone (who missed it) might enjoy the following posted to the Darkover List > * A LETTER FROM DIANA L. PAXON > > Below is a letter from Diana L. Paxon, Marion Zimmer Bradley's > sister-in-law, fellow author, and longtime collaborator. Her deep > friendship with Bradley, who passed away in 1999, and respect for > Bradley's writing shines through in her letter, shedding new light on > the inspiration behind THE MISTS OF AVALON. > > > Marion Zimmer Bradley died on September 25, 1999. During the week after > her passing, my in-box filled to overflowing with messages from people > who mourned her. They came from women and men, science fiction fans and > pagans, Anachronists and people from all of the many other communities > who appreciated her many novels; but above all, they came from readers > who loved The Mists of Avalon. > > In Marion, I lost not only a favorite author, but a sister and a friend. > I had known her for over thirty years, and when I married her adopted > brother, writer Jon DeCles, I became part of her family. For many years > my husband and I shared a house with her brother Paul Edwin Zimmer (also > a fantasy writer) and his family, and her mother lived with us until she > died. > > Marion read my first attempt at a novel, and read it again after I > followed her advice and re-wrote it. We worked together as priestesses > in the Women's Spirituality movement and founded Darkmoon Circle, which > is still going strong today. Once I had become established as a writer, > we traded ideas and manuscripts. When she wanted to do an anthology of > work by people associated with our extended family and virtual writer's > colony, she named it after my house, Greyhaven. > > But when Marion first announced her intention to do an Arthurian novel I > was skeptical. Surely, after T. H. White and Rosemary Sutcliffe's modern > treatments of the story, there was nothing left to be said. Nonetheless, > she knew that I had specialized in medieval literature in graduate > school, and when she came to me for resources, I was glad to give what > help I could. Not that she needed much, for she had been steeped in the > Arthurian tradition since childhood. > > I read the first chapters of what became The Mists of Avalon with a > mounting excitement, for Marion had, indeed, found a new approach to the > legend, one with particular relevance to the culture of the day. But I > should not have been surprised--one of Marion's great gifts as a writer > was to say something, at just the right time, that some group of people > very much needed to hear. This time, it was an exploration of the role > of the women in the legend of King Arthur--and in her hands, it became a > deeply evocative story of women's struggles to survive in a masculine > world. > > In particular, it was a story of a woman's spiritual quest. The > spirituality of Avalon derives from the British Mystery tradition, > especially as it was interpreted by the occult writer Dion Fortune, > whose character, Miss LeFay Morgan, is both a progenitor and descendant > of Morgaine. In addition, Marion drew upon Dion Fortune's non-fiction > book, Avalon of the Heart. For a time, Dion Fortune lived in > Glastonbury, home of the Glastonbury Tor and still a sacred center of > pilgrimage for many. > > Although Marion traveled to the British Isles several times to visit > Arthurian sites and do research, she realized early on that in order to > be true to her vision she would have to abandon history, and instead, > tell the truth of legend. The brilliant device of placing Avalon halfway > between our world and Faerie allowed her to adorn it with structures and > a society unknown to archaeology. > > The Arthurian legend holds a unique place in the literature of the > English language and seems to be capable of infinite reinterpretations. > My own version, Hallowed Isle, is more faithful to history, but The > Mists of Avalon casts a long shadow, which I avoided only by placing my > priestesses in the Lake Country in the north of England! > > For years after Mists was published, women continued to come to Darkmoon > Circle looking for the College of Priestesses on Avalon. They were not > misled, for the quality of interaction among the women, as well as much > of the spirituality, reflects the atmosphere in the circle. It was a > time of great excitement, as we realized that it was possible to create > a religious practice that would meet our needs, and that the Goddess, > far from being confined to ancient mythology, was alive, well, and eager > to communicate. What Marion was describing in the new book--which she had > originally wanted to call Mistress of Magic--was what we were > experiencing every time we came together. > > But no one expected what happened when The Mists of Avalon was > published. Some of its success was no doubt due to the editorial and > promotional genius of Judy Lynn Benjamin Del Rey, who got the book > reviewed in the New York Times. But the rest has to be put down to > Marion's ability to resonate with the zeitgeist. Glowing reviews > certainly helped, but what made the book a bestseller was word-of-mouth > publicity, and that's what keeps it selling today. People bought and > read and loved it, then bought copies for their friends. Suddenly Marion > found herself world-famous. > > This was not what she had expected, especially when people began to > phone her in the middle of the night wanting spiritual counsel. Morgaine > herself could not have fulfilled all the expectations being laid upon > the author of The Mists of Avalon. Marion continued to write, but she > began to withdraw from public life. > > Her health was also beginning to fail. To the heart trouble from which > she had suffered for many years was added diabetes, and then a series of > strokes. She managed to complete the first draft of The Forest House, a > story based on the opera Norma that she had wanted to tell for many > years, but it showed the effects of her illness, and she asked me to > help her revise it. We were both pleased with the result, even though > there was not much we could do to make Gaius nicer--his character, after > all, is based on the opera's tenor role. > > As I discussed the book with Marion, I came to understand the place of > the Avalon mythos in her work much more clearly. Not only were the > characters in Forest House ancestral to the later people of Avalon, but > Marion considered several of them to be reincarnations of the major > characters in her early occult novel, which was eventually published as > The Fall of Atlantis. That suggested a further development of the > mythos, and we proposed a new project, Lady of Avalon, which takes the > characters through three incarnations; the first section being a > continuation of the story line in The Forest House, while the third > tells of the youth of Viviane and helps explain how she got that way. > Our last collaboration, Priestess of Avalon, surrounds the middle > section of the previous book with the story of Helena the mother of > Constantine. In Priestess of Avalon, I have taken the opportunity to try > and show not only Helena's spiritual quest, but Marion's religious > position, which was that of a student of the Mysteries who could find > truth and inspiration in both Christianity and paganism. The vision at > the end of Mists in which the Goddess takes the form of the Virgin Mary > expresses a truth beyond dogma. > > --Diana L. Paxson March 26, 2001 > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > darkover-lovers-l-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > --part1_bf.f0095e3.284cf372_alt_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 6/3/2001 11:51:06 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
ppeltone@hkkk.fi writes:
I thought everyone (who missed it) might enjoy the following posted to the
Darkover List

* A LETTER FROM DIANA L. PAXON

Below is a letter from Diana L. Paxon, Marion Zimmer Bradley's
sister-in-law, fellow author, and longtime collaborator. Her deep
friendship with Bradley, who passed away in 1999, and respect for
Bradley's writing shines through in her letter, shedding new light on
the inspiration behind THE MISTS OF AVALON.


Marion Zimmer Bradley died on September 25, 1999. During the week after
her passing, my in-box filled to overflowing with messages from people
who mourned her. They came from women and men, science fiction fans and
pagans, Anachronists and people from all of the many other communities
who appreciated her many novels; but above all, they came from readers
who loved The Mists of Avalon.

In Marion, I lost not only a favorite author, but a sister and a friend.
I had known her for over thirty years, and when I married her adopted
brother, writer Jon DeCles, I became part of her family. For many years
my husband and I shared a house with her brother Paul Edwin Zimmer (also
a fantasy writer) and his family, and her mother lived with us until she
died.

Marion read my first attempt at a novel, and read it again after I
followed her advice and re-wrote it. We worked together as priestesses
in the Women's Spirituality movement and founded Darkmoon Circle, which
is still going strong today. Once I had become established as a writer,
we traded ideas and manuscripts. When she wanted to do an anthology of
work by people associated with our extended family and virtual writer's
colony, she named it after my house, Greyhaven.

But when Marion first announced her intention to do an Arthurian novel I
was skeptical. Surely, after T. H. White and Rosemary Sutcliffe's modern
treatments of the story, there was nothing left to be said. Nonetheless,
she knew that I had specialized in medieval literature in graduate
school, and when she came to me for resources, I was glad to give what
help I could. Not that she needed much, for she had been steeped in the
Arthurian tradition since childhood.

I read the first chapters of what became The Mists of Avalon with a
mounting excitement, for Marion had, indeed, found a new approach to the
legend, one with particular relevance to the culture of the day. But I
should not have been surprised--one of Marion's great gifts as a writer
was to say something, at just the right time, that some group of people
very much needed to hear. This time, it was an exploration of the role
of the women in the legend of King Arthur--and in her hands, it became a
deeply evocative story of women's struggles to survive in a masculine
world.

In particular, it was a story of a woman's spiritual quest. The
spirituality of Avalon derives from the British Mystery tradition,
especially as it was interpreted by the occult writer Dion Fortune,
whose character, Miss LeFay Morgan, is both a progenitor and descendant
of Morgaine. In addition, Marion drew upon Dion Fortune's non-fiction
book, Avalon of the Heart. For a time, Dion Fortune lived in
Glastonbury, home of the Glastonbury Tor and still a sacred center of
pilgrimage for many.

Although Marion traveled to the British Isles several times to visit
Arthurian sites and do research, she realized early on that in order to
be true to her vision she would have to abandon history, and instead,
tell the truth of legend. The brilliant device of placing Avalon halfway
between our world and Faerie allowed her to adorn it with structures and
a society unknown to archaeology.

The Arthurian legend holds a unique place in the literature of the
English language and seems to be capable of infinite reinterpretations.
My own version, Hallowed Isle, is more faithful to history, but The
Mists of Avalon casts a long shadow, which I avoided only by placing my
priestesses in the Lake Country in the north of England!

For years after Mists was published, women continued to come to Darkmoon
Circle looking for the College of Priestesses on Avalon. They were not
misled, for the quality of interaction among the women, as well as much
of the spirituality, reflects the atmosphere in the circle. It was a
time of great excitement, as we realized that it was possible to create
a religious practice that would meet our needs, and that the Goddess,
far from being confined to ancient mythology, was alive, well, and eager
to communicate. What Marion was describing in the new book--which she had
originally wanted to call Mistress of Magic--was what we were
experiencing every time we came together.

But no one expected what happened when The Mists of Avalon was
published. Some of its success was no doubt due to the editorial and
promotional genius of Judy Lynn Benjamin Del Rey, who got the book
reviewed in the New York Times. But the rest has to be put down to
Marion's ability to resonate with the zeitgeist. Glowing reviews
certainly helped, but what made the book a bestseller was word-of-mouth
publicity, and that's what keeps it selling today. People bought and
read and loved it, then bought copies for their friends. Suddenly Marion
found herself world-famous.

This was not what she had expected, especially when people began to
phone her in the middle of the night wanting spiritual counsel. Morgaine
herself could not have fulfilled all the expectations being laid upon
the author of The Mists of Avalon. Marion continued to write, but she
began to withdraw from public life.

Her health was also beginning to fail. To the heart trouble from which
she had suffered for many years was added diabetes, and then a series of
strokes. She managed to complete the first draft of The Forest House, a
story based on the opera Norma that she had wanted to tell for many
years, but it showed the effects of her illness, and she asked me to
help her revise it. We were both pleased with the result, even though
there was not much we could do to make Gaius nicer--his character, after
all, is based on the opera's tenor role.

As I discussed the book with Marion, I came to understand the place of
the Avalon mythos in her work much more clearly. Not only were the
characters in Forest House ancestral to the later people of Avalon, but
Marion considered several of them to be reincarnations of the major
characters in her early occult novel, which was eventually published as
The Fall of Atlantis. That suggested a further development of the
mythos, and we proposed a new project, Lady of Avalon, which takes the
characters through three incarnations; the first section being a
continuation of the story line in The Forest House, while the third
tells of the youth of Viviane and helps explain how she got that way.
Our last collaboration, Priestess of Avalon, surrounds the middle
section of the previous book with the story of Helena the mother of
Constantine. In Priestess of Avalon, I have taken the opportunity to try
and show not only Helena's spiritual quest, but Marion's religious
position, which was that of a student of the Mysteries who could find
truth and inspiration in both Christianity and paganism. The vision at
the end of Mists in which the Goddess takes the form of the Virgin Mary
expresses a truth beyond dogma.

--Diana L. Paxson March 26, 2001


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--part1_bf.f0095e3.284cf372_alt_boundary-- --part1_bf.f0095e3.284cf372_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-ye05.mx.aol.com (rly-ye05.mail.aol.com [172.18.151.202]) by air-ye03.mail.aol.com (v77_r1.37) with ESMTP; Mon, 04 Jun 2001 02:51:06 -0400 Received: from hn.egroups.com (hn.egroups.com [208.50.99.199]) by rly-ye05.mx.aol.com (v77_r1.36) with ESMTP; Mon, 04 Jun 2001 02:50:44 -0400 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-9919-5246-991637430-fishydu=aol.com@returns.onelist.com Received: from [10.1.4.55] by hn.egroups.com with NNFMP; 04 Jun 2001 06:50:30 -0000 X-Sender: ppeltone@hkkk.fi X-Apparently-To: darkover-lovers-l@onelist.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 4 Jun 2001 06:50:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 35519 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2001 06:50:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2001 06:50:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hkkk.fi) (128.214.32.1) by mta2 with SMTP; 4 Jun 2001 06:50:25 -0000 Received: from havi007.hkkk.fi (tal023.hkkk.fi [128.214.26.23]) by hkkk.fi (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA13424 for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2001 09:50:23 +0300 (EET DST) Message-ID: <003901c0ecc2$a14c0be0$171ad680@hkkk.fi> To: "Darkover-Lovers-L" Organization: HSEBA X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Petri Peltonen" MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list darkover-lovers-l@yahoogroups.com; contact darkover-lovers-l-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list darkover-lovers-l@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 09:50:22 +0300 Reply-To: darkover-lovers-l@yahoogroups.com Subject: [darkover-lovers-l] A letter from Diana L. Paxson Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here's a letter from DLP that appeared in the Del Rey Internet Newsletter, DRIN. The latter part will interest those who discussed the reincarnations of the characters from THE FALL OF ATLANTIS. Piedro, the Latter Fool of Valeron Plains *********************************************************************** * A LETTER FROM DIANA L. PAXON Below is a letter from Diana L. Paxon, Marion Zimmer Bradley's sister-in-law, fellow author, and longtime collaborator. Her deep friendship with Bradley, who passed away in 1999, and respect for Bradley's writing shines through in her letter, shedding new light on the inspiration behind THE MISTS OF AVALON. Marion Zimmer Bradley died on September 25, 1999. During the week after her passing, my in-box filled to overflowing with messages from people who mourned her. They came from women and men, science fiction fans and pagans, Anachronists and people from all of the many other communities who appreciated her many novels; but above all, they came from readers who loved The Mists of Avalon. In Marion, I lost not only a favorite author, but a sister and a friend. I had known her for over thirty years, and when I married her adopted brother, writer Jon DeCles, I became part of her family. For many years my husband and I shared a house with her brother Paul Edwin Zimmer (also a fantasy writer) and his family, and her mother lived with us until she died. Marion read my first attempt at a novel, and read it again after I followed her advice and re-wrote it. We worked together as priestesses in the Women's Spirituality movement and founded Darkmoon Circle, which is still going strong today. Once I had become established as a writer, we traded ideas and manuscripts. When she wanted to do an anthology of work by people associated with our extended family and virtual writer's colony, she named it after my house, Greyhaven. But when Marion first announced her intention to do an Arthurian novel I was skeptical. Surely, after T. H. White and Rosemary Sutcliffe's modern treatments of the story, there was nothing left to be said. Nonetheless, she knew that I had specialized in medieval literature in graduate school, and when she came to me for resources, I was glad to give what help I could. Not that she needed much, for she had been steeped in the Arthurian tradition since childhood. I read the first chapters of what became The Mists of Avalon with a mounting excitement, for Marion had, indeed, found a new approach to the legend, one with particular relevance to the culture of the day. But I should not have been surprised--one of Marion's great gifts as a writer was to say something, at just the right time, that some group of people very much needed to hear. This time, it was an exploration of the role of the women in the legend of King Arthur--and in her hands, it became a deeply evocative story of women's struggles to survive in a masculine world. In particular, it was a story of a woman's spiritual quest. The spirituality of Avalon derives from the British Mystery tradition, especially as it was interpreted by the occult writer Dion Fortune, whose character, Miss LeFay Morgan, is both a progenitor and descendant of Morgaine. In addition, Marion drew upon Dion Fortune's non-fiction book, Avalon of the Heart. For a time, Dion Fortune lived in Glastonbury, home of the Glastonbury Tor and still a sacred center of pilgrimage for many. Although Marion traveled to the British Isles several times to visit Arthurian sites and do research, she realized early on that in order to be true to her vision she would have to abandon history, and instead, tell the truth of legend. The brilliant device of placing Avalon halfway between our world and Faerie allowed her to adorn it with structures and a society unknown to archaeology. The Arthurian legend holds a unique place in the literature of the English language and seems to be capable of infinite reinterpretations. My own version, Hallowed Isle, is more faithful to history, but The Mists of Avalon casts a long shadow, which I avoided only by placing my priestesses in the Lake Country in the north of England! For years after Mists was published, women continued to come to Darkmoon Circle looking for the College of Priestesses on Avalon. They were not misled, for the quality of interaction among the women, as well as much of the spirituality, reflects the atmosphere in the circle. It was a time of great excitement, as we realized that it was possible to create a religious practice that would meet our needs, and that the Goddess, far from being confined to ancient mythology, was alive, well, and eager to communicate. What Marion was describing in the new book--which she had originally wanted to call Mistress of Magic--was what we were experiencing every time we came together. But no one expected what happened when The Mists of Avalon was published. Some of its success was no doubt due to the editorial and promotional genius of Judy Lynn Benjamin Del Rey, who got the book reviewed in the New York Times. But the rest has to be put down to Marion's ability to resonate with the zeitgeist. Glowing reviews certainly helped, but what made the book a bestseller was word-of-mouth publicity, and that's what keeps it selling today. People bought and read and loved it, then bought copies for their friends. Suddenly Marion found herself world-famous. This was not what she had expected, especially when people began to phone her in the middle of the night wanting spiritual counsel. Morgaine herself could not have fulfilled all the expectations being laid upon the author of The Mists of Avalon. Marion continued to write, but she began to withdraw from public life. Her health was also beginning to fail. To the heart trouble from which she had suffered for many years was added diabetes, and then a series of strokes. She managed to complete the first draft of The Forest House, a story based on the opera Norma that she had wanted to tell for many years, but it showed the effects of her illness, and she asked me to help her revise it. We were both pleased with the result, even though there was not much we could do to make Gaius nicer--his character, after all, is based on the opera's tenor role. As I discussed the book with Marion, I came to understand the place of the Avalon mythos in her work much more clearly. Not only were the characters in Forest House ancestral to the later people of Avalon, but Marion considered several of them to be reincarnations of the major characters in her early occult novel, which was eventually published as The Fall of Atlantis. That suggested a further development of the mythos, and we proposed a new project, Lady of Avalon, which takes the characters through three incarnations; the first section being a continuation of the story line in The Forest House, while the third tells of the youth of Viviane and helps explain how she got that way. Our last collaboration, Priestess of Avalon, surrounds the middle section of the previous book with the story of Helena the mother of Constantine. In Priestess of Avalon, I have taken the opportunity to try and show not only Helena's spiritual quest, but Marion's religious position, which was that of a student of the Mysteries who could find truth and inspiration in both Christianity and paganism. The vision at the end of Mists in which the Goddess takes the form of the Virgin Mary expresses a truth beyond dogma. --Diana L. Paxson March 26, 2001 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: darkover-lovers-l-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --part1_bf.f0095e3.284cf372_boundary-- From simegen-l@simegen.com Mon Jun 4 14:49:35 2001 From: simegen-l@simegen.com (simegen-l@simegen.com) Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 10:49:35 EDT Subject: [Simegen-L] re: Jean Message-ID: <107.cbf790.284cf9ff@aol.com> I'm so glad that you needed minimal treatment and that it looks like they got it all! I must have missed posts...this is the first I heard of the lump or the diagnosis or anything...I'm so glad you're all right! THank you too for the information on breast self exam and what you found that was different. I'm over 40 and have not been regular about BSE. I'm now "scared straight". Pax. Janice From simegen-l@simegen.com Mon Jun 4 16:16:15 2001 From: simegen-l@simegen.com (simegen-l@simegen.com) Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 12:16:15 EDT Subject: [Simegen-L] Re: Jean Message-ID: <10f.b68d2e.284d0e4f@aol.com> I'm glad to hear that you're home and everything is turning out all right. And thanks for posting the detailed explanation of what to look for in self-examination. My initial reaction upon trying to learn how to do it -- as with many women, I suspect -- was, "They always feel lumpy!" And now that I've passed menopause, I'm afraid I'm having trouble teaching myself to remember to do it regularly. There's no escaping the mammograms, however -- the Navy clinic sends its patients for the exam annually without fail. Margaret Carter From simegen-l@simegen.com Mon Jun 4 17:42:45 2001 From: simegen-l@simegen.com (Jean Lorrah) Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 12:42:45 -0500 Subject: [Simegen-L] My story on READ A GOOD STORY, DO A GOOD DEED Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20010604124245.008a0630@msumusik.mursuky.edu> http://www.simegen.com/simecenter My story, "Short Quarter," is now available in the "Read a Good Story, Do a Good Deed" program on simegen.com. This story is a sequel to "Change of Command," which appeared in this same program in the summer of 2000. 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From simegen-l@simegen.com Mon Jun 4 18:01:08 2001 From: simegen-l@simegen.com (Mary Lou Mendum) Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 11:01:08 -0700 Subject: [Simegen-L] Possibly virulent anonymous attachments Message-ID: Folks, I just received two copies of a highly suspicious attachment, a file called "OADPIKOA.EXE". It was anonymously sent, and the other recipients were also hidden, so I don't know whether it came to me via SIMEGEN-L, Simegen-AU, or another listserv. I deleted both copies immediately, of course, but I would appreciate knowing if others on this list also received the files. Thanks, Mary Lou From simegen-l@simegen.com Mon Jun 4 18:21:33 2001 From: simegen-l@simegen.com (simegen-l@simegen.com) Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 14:21:33 EDT Subject: [Simegen-L] attachments Message-ID: << Folks, I just received two copies of a highly suspicious attachment, a file called "OADPIKOA.EXE". It was anonymously sent, and the other recipients were also hidden, so I don't know whether it came to me via SIMEGEN-L, Simegen-AU, or another listserv. I deleted both copies immediately, of course, but I would appreciate knowing if others on this list also received the files. Thanks, Mary Lou >> This DID not come from our Simegen-l and Mailman program. Any anonymous mail, or mail not from a list member is caught by the software. Such mail must be approved by one of the list managers before it is passed on to the members of the list. Usually I have the duty to clean what Jacqueline calls "the spam trap" where this mail awaits approval. This is why some posts of yours needed to "wait for approval" when you sent from an address not registered with the software. The warning is appreciated, however. I have not heard of this virus before. I also can not seem to locate it on the Symantec website (http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/index.html) Yours, Karen Hope this answers your question. From simegen-l@simegen.com Mon Jun 4 19:34:13 2001 From: simegen-l@simegen.com (simegen-l@simegen.com) Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 15:34:13 EDT Subject: [Simegen-L] Fwd: Off Topic darkover-lovers-l] A letter from Diana L. Paxson Message-ID: Thanks for passing this on. I'm sharing it with a few people who might appreciate it. I've also included the source of the information for them. Karen From simegen-l@simegen.com Mon Jun 4 20:14:04 2001 From: simegen-l@simegen.com (simegen-l@simegen.com) Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 16:14:04 -0400 Subject: [Simegen-L] re: Jean Message-ID: What everyone has written so far about breast exam is excellent...but everyone should also keep in mind that mammography is not perfect. If you and/or your doctor feel a lump and the mammogram is normal, you are not done yet. Up to 10% of palpable cancers are non-mammogram positive. We're mandated as professional to pursue to diagnosis... which means obtaining cells in a fine needle or other biopsy, if a mass is present, palpable, and the mammogram is normal. This results from mammograms being best at spotting calcifications... but not all cancers have calcifications. (If the mammogram comes back with a diagnosis of "cyst" or fibroadenoma it's not considered "normal".. and your professionals may not choose to biopsy...) Hope this is clear.... Pat N simegen-l@simegen.com wrote: > I'm so glad that you needed minimal treatment and that it looks like they got it all! I must have missed posts...this is the first I heard of the lump or the diagnosis or anything...I'm so glad you're all right! THank you too for the information on breast self exam and what you found that was different. I'm over 40 and have not been regular about BSE. I'm now "scared straight". Pax. Janice _______________________________________________ Simegen-L mailing list Simegen-L@simegen.com http://www.simegen.com/mailman/listinfo/simegen-l From simegen-l@simegen.com Mon Jun 4 20:37:24 2001 From: simegen-l@simegen.com (simegen-l@simegen.com) Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 16:37:24 -0400 Subject: [Simegen-L] attachments In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3B1BB944.7344.132FA9@localhost> That sounds a lot like W32.Magistr, which sends around random files. http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.magistr.24876@mm.html You should never execute files that are sent to you unless you asked for them and are expecting them, and even then use extreme caution. > > > << > Folks, > > I just received two copies of a highly suspicious attachment, a file called > "OADPIKOA.EXE". It was anonymously sent, and the other recipients were also > hidden, so I don't know whether it came to me via SIMEGEN-L, Simegen-AU, or > another listserv. I deleted both copies immediately, of course, but I would > appreciate knowing if others on this list also received the files. > > Thanks, > > Mary Lou >> > > > This DID not come from our Simegen-l and Mailman program. Any anonymous > mail, or mail not from a list member is caught by the software. Such mail must > be approved by one of the list managers before it is passed on to the members of > the list. Usually I have the duty to clean what Jacqueline calls "the spam > trap" where this mail awaits approval. > > This is why some posts of yours needed to "wait for approval" when you sent from > an address not registered with the software. > > The warning is appreciated, however. I have not heard of this virus before. I > also can not seem to locate it on the Symantec website > (http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/index.html) > > Yours, > Karen > > > Hope this answers your question. > > _______________________________________________ > Simegen-L mailing list > Simegen-L@simegen.com > http://www.simegen.com/mailman/listinfo/simegen-l -- Viable Paradise Writers' Workshop http://www.sff.net/paradise From simegen-l@simegen.com Wed Jun 6 16:07:21 2001 From: simegen-l@simegen.com (Jean Lorrah) Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 11:07:21 -0500 Subject: [Simegen-L] Used Books Amazon's Biggest Growth Area Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20010606110721.008ae100@simegen.com> >From today's Publisher's Lunch: Used Sales Lead Growth at Amazon; Institutional Book Sales Coming Soon Amazon's CFO Warren Jenson remains "highly confident in our ability to deliver pro forma operating profitability in our fourth quarter" and on into 2002, even as analysts forecast a 33 cent per share loss next year (the analysts count in interest on the company's $2.1 billion debt; Amazon does not). Among the announcements, Amazon said they would enter the institutional book sales market later this year (including selling to schools), and expect that to turn into a $150 million business within a few years. Amazon also said that the used sales segment is now their fastest-growing area, growing 30% a month, but up 50% in the last 4 weeks alone, with 775,000 customers. 8.5% of their total book sales are now used books. CNN report http://link.ixs1.net/s/link/click?rc=al&rti=l39299&si=p2170101 Wire on Amazon http://link.ixs1.net/s/link/click?rc=al&rti=239300&si=p2170101 Visit my websites, http://www.simegen.com/jean and http://www.jeanlorrah.com NEW BOOK: Nessie and the Living Stone http://www.crossroadspub.com/Nessie.htm WINNER! Independent E-books Award, best children's book. From simegen-l@simegen.com Wed Jun 6 20:35:49 2001 From: simegen-l@simegen.com (Liz Fitzpatrick) Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 20:35:49 -0000 Subject: [Simegen-L] Mental Illness Message-ID: What would the effects of mental illness (schizophrenia, DDI, etc) be on a Gen's nager? I'm kind of tossing around a story idea and need expert advice on the matter. Thanks! Liz _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com